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Rams survive Highlanders in high-turnover affair

It wasn’t always pretty, but the end result was still a win as VCU survived a scare from Radford despite a season-high 25-turnover performance.

VCU led for much of the first half before Radford took a late two-point lead they would carry into halftime. The Big South squad would add to that lead early in the second, extending their cushion to an eight-point advantage at 35-27. They would carry that advantage into the the 15-minute mark at 40-32, then, just as it appeared the wheels were officially coming off for the black and gold, the Rams fought back to eventually take a 46-45 lead.

VCU extended that to an eight-point lead themselves at 53-45 until Radford finally broke a six-minute and seven-second scoring drought. The Highlanders then clawed to within five of VCU, only to see the Rams extend that advantage to their largest lead at 12 with just five minutes to go. Radford pulled to within six with under a minute to go, but by that point it was already too late with the Rams in the double-bonus where they were able to hit their last four free throws to finish with the 70-62 win.

VCU shot well from the field in the win, finishing 48.9% of their attempts including 42.9% from three (albiet on just seven attempts), but managed to once again stack fouls on their opponent — 26 in total — to get to the stripe where they would hit 23 of their 31 free throw attempts.

Brandon Johns Jr. led the Rams on a birthday game for him. He finished with 18 points on a 74.5% true shooting percentage. Johns had just two turnovers in 30 minutes of action.

Jalen DeLoach hit seven of his 11 attempts in the win, many of which coming from easy dunks. He tallied 15 points and nine rebounds, but accounted for five VCU turnovers on the night. Jamir Watkins matched those five turnovers, but had a team-high 11 rebounds in the first game VCU has out-rebounded an opponent since their second game of the season against Morgan State. Watkins finished with eight points on the night. Ace Baldwin had an uncharacteristic six-turnover night himself. The junior point guard finished with 10 points and six assists for the black and gold.

The win moves VCU to 7-4 on the season heading into a weekend matchup with Northern Illinois (3-7). The Huskies will head to the Siegel Center as the lowest ranked opponent (306th nationally according to kenpom.com) since the Rams’ season opener against Manhattan.

 

A two-time graduate of VCU (School of the Arts '07, Center for Sport Leadership '10), Mat is a co-founder of VCU Ram Nation and a longtime fan as the ...

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Turnovers have to be reduced as it will cost the Rams some wins down the road. Team was denied 25 scoring opportunities due to the high volume of turnovers, If they had scored on just a third of those lost possessions they could have upped the winning margin by additional ten to twenty points. Just way too many unforced errors.
 

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Here are our turnovers rates in each game

Manhattan: 17-point win (19.2% TO%)
Morgan State:
15-point win (32.5% TO%)
Arizona State:
4-point loss (23.5% TO%)
Pitt:
4-point win (20.5% TO%)
Memphis:
15-point loss (26.1% TO%)
Kennesaw St:
3-point win (21.2% TO%)
Vandy:
5-point win (21.7% TO%)
Temple:
10-point loss (25.7% TO%)
Jacksonville:
11-point loss (12.1% TO%)
Howard:
10-point win (21.1% TO%)
Radford:
8-point win (34.7% TO%)

Feels like a bit of a miracle that we were able to win two games with turnover rates over 30%, but that also shows you honestly how bad those teams are, to beat them by 15 and then 8. But imagine what those numbers look like if we simply have a middle-of-the-road DI turnover rate around 18%. Those become 20+ and 15+ or so wins. Then our NET and kenpom numbers are considerably higher. Then take a better turnover game against Arizona State. Instead of a 4-point loss you've got a top-100 win by simply being just an ok turnover team. The Jacksonville game is really the outlier in the sample, with them hitting 50% from three (versus our 5-28 showing from range) and out-rebounding us by 8 to negate our turnover advantage.

Just careless play really, lazy passes, a lack of focus. Shows though that IF VCU could somehow fix that, they've got a much higher ceiling. But that said, it just feels like it's who these guys are this year and that it's not a fixable thing.
 
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Here are our turnovers rates in each game

Manhattan: 17-point win (19.2% TO%)
Morgan State:
15-point win (32.5% TO%)
Arizona State:
4-point loss (23.5% TO%)
Pitt:
4-point win (20.5% TO%)
Memphis:
15-point loss (26.1% TO%)
Kennesaw St:
3-point win (21.2% TO%)
Vandy:
5-point win (21.7% TO%)
Temple:
10-point loss (25.7% TO%)
Jacksonville:
11-point loss (12.1% TO%)
Howard:
10-point win (21.1% TO%)
Radford:
8-point win (34.7% TO%)

Feels like a bit of a miracle that we were able to win two games with turnover rates over 30%, but that also shows you honestly how bad those teams are, to beat them by 15 and then 8. But imagine what those numbers look like if we simply have a middle-of-the-road DI turnover rate around 18%. Those become 20+ and 15+ or so wins. Then our NET and kenpom numbers are considerably higher. Then take a better turnover game against Arizona State. Instead of a 4-point loss you've got a top-100 win by simply being just an ok turnover team. The Jacksonville game is really the outlier in the sample, with them hitting 50% from three (versus our 5-28 showing from range) and out-rebounding us by 8 to negate our turnover advantage.

Just careless play really, lazy passes, a lack of focus. Shows though that IF VCU could somehow fix that, they've got a much higher ceiling. But that said, it just feels like it's who these guys are this year and that it's not a fixable thing.
Here are our turnovers rates in each game

Manhattan: 17-point win (19.2% TO%)
Morgan State:
15-point win (32.5% TO%)
Arizona State:
4-point loss (23.5% TO%)
Pitt:
4-point win (20.5% TO%)
Memphis:
15-point loss (26.1% TO%)
Kennesaw St:
3-point win (21.2% TO%)
Vandy:
5-point win (21.7% TO%)
Temple:
10-point loss (25.7% TO%)
Jacksonville:
11-point loss (12.1% TO%)
Howard:
10-point win (21.1% TO%)
Radford:
8-point win (34.7% TO%)

Feels like a bit of a miracle that we were able to win two games with turnover rates over 30%, but that also shows you honestly how bad those teams are, to beat them by 15 and then 8. But imagine what those numbers look like if we simply have a middle-of-the-road DI turnover rate around 18%. Those become 20+ and 15+ or so wins. Then our NET and kenpom numbers are considerably higher. Then take a better turnover game against Arizona State. Instead of a 4-point loss you've got a top-100 win by simply being just an ok turnover team. The Jacksonville game is really the outlier in the sample, with them hitting 50% from three (versus our 5-28 showing from range) and out-rebounding us by 8 to negate our turnover advantage.

Just careless play really, lazy passes, a lack of focus. Shows though that IF VCU could somehow fix that, they've got a much higher ceiling. But that said, it just feels like it's who these guys are this year and that it's not a fixable thing.
A visiting Coach said VCU play reckless, Coach R keeps saying play fast HOT Ball ECT. My suggestion is to play under control and fast up to the level that you can reduce the TO's, in todays Richmond Rhodes calls out a couple of players, they are only doing what he tells them to do play fast, has he ever thought that might be a majority part of turnovers. Just play under control !
 

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A visiting Coach said VCU play reckless, Coach R keeps saying play fast HOT Ball ECT. My suggestion is to play under control and fast up to the level that you can reduce the TO's, in todays Richmond Rhodes calls out a couple of players, they are only doing what he tells them to do play fast, has he ever thought that might be a majority part of turnovers. Just play under control !
They turn it over trying to hand it off or simple pass inbounds

we can turn it over at any speed