2022-23 NET rankings and metrics

[Who_Dat_Ninja]

Yeah, and CoC seems to be on an upward trend.

havent actually watched a game from them yet.. but pretty impressive to carry an 18 game winning streak with a avg double digit margin of victory

 

[HBK]

1) Obviously Mooney continues to have challenges in counting. The A10 is currently ranked 12th and not 7th.
2) The key point is "Home and Homes." I'm sorry, we're not on the same level as most Big 10 or SEC teams. So if we want to play (for example) Kansas, the options are either get an H/H or nothing? Huh?

UNCW (a CAA school) got away games against Carolina, Oklahoma and UConn on their out of conference schedule (not as part of a tournament). UCF got Fla State and Miami at home, Old Miss on the road and Missouri on a "neutral" court in Florida.

I have no doubt that getting big name teams on the schedule is a major challenge, especially getting them to come to Richmond. I get it. But it's not impossible, especially on the road. Other similar schools seem to be able to do it. A lot of times connections and relationships play a big part in all of this.

The big issue with our schedule this year were all of the bum schools we played at home. No way you can convince me that couldn't have been improved.

Mooney also said, “generally” when discussing where the A-10 is ranked. Using that description, he is correct. The A-10 is generally a top 7-10 league, though you are correct that this year it is currently #12.

As far as “home and home” scheduling, it‘s a difficult balance for schools like VCU. Need home games for revenue purposes, but can’t get many top 75 teams to play here.

I do think VCU should try for one-off games on the road. We do try to get neutral site games, which might as well be true road games. We offered to play Baylor in Dallas, for example. Probably should have just offered to play them in Waco. Martelli told me they tried 2-for-1 (2 road, 1 at the Stu) this year with a couple of schools, but were turned down.

As for Wilmington, those were buy games, so that’s not a good example. I would be willing to bet that not one top 100 school is going to pay us to come to their place.

UCF is an interesting example, I don’t know enough about how those games came about to comment on them.

 

[RamJamFan]

1) Obviously Mooney continues to have challenges in counting. The A10 is currently ranked 12th and not 7th.
2) The key point is "Home and Homes." I'm sorry, we're not on the same level as most Big 10 or SEC teams. So if we want to play (for example) Kansas, the options are either get an H/H or nothing? Huh?

UNCW (a CAA school) got away games against Carolina, Oklahoma and UConn on their out of conference schedule (not as part of a tournament). UCF got Fla State and Miami at home, Old Miss on the road and Missouri on a "neutral" court in Florida.

I have no doubt that getting big name teams on the schedule is a major challenge, especially getting them to come to Richmond. I get it. But it's not impossible, especially on the road. Other similar schools seem to be able to do it. A lot of times connections and relationships play a big part in all of this.

The big issue with our schedule this year were all of the bum schools we played at home. No way you can convince me that couldn't have been improved.

This was such a disappointing OOC schedule. It, along with early season on court performance, torpedoed our at large relevance less than 10 games into season, particularly after the poor performance at Memphis.

 

[duncanlamb]

Mooney also said, “generally” when discussing where the A-10 is ranked. Using that description, he is correct. The A-10 is generally a top 7-10 league, though you are correct that this year it is currently #12.

As far as “home and home” scheduling, it‘s a difficult balance for schools like VCU. Need home games for revenue purposes, but can’t get many top 75 teams to play here.

I do think VCU should try for one-off games on the road. We do try to get neutral site games, which might as well be true road games. We offered to play Baylor in Dallas, for example. Probably should have just offered to play them in Waco. Martelli told me they tried 2-for-1 (2 road, 1 at the Stu) this year with a couple of schools, but were turned down.

As for Wilmington, those were buy games, so that’s not a good example. I would be willing to bet that not one top 100 school is going to pay us to come to their place.

UCF is an interesting example, I don’t know enough about how those games came about to comment on them.

Marshall or Southern Miss

 

[Mistachill]

Mooney also said, “generally” when discussing where the A-10 is ranked. Using that description, he is correct. The A-10 is generally a top 7-10 league, though you are correct that this year it is currently #12.

As far as “home and home” scheduling, it‘s a difficult balance for schools like VCU. Need home games for revenue purposes, but can’t get many top 75 teams to play here.

I do think VCU should try for one-off games on the road. We do try to get neutral site games, which might as well be true road games. We offered to play Baylor in Dallas, for example. Probably should have just offered to play them in Waco. Martelli told me they tried 2-for-1 (2 road, 1 at the Stu) this year with a couple of schools, but were turned down.

As for Wilmington, those were buy games, so that’s not a good example. I would be willing to bet that not one top 100 school is going to pay us to come to their place.

UCF is an interesting example, I don’t know enough about how those games came about to comment on them.

Considering UNCW's performance last season that's a challenging game for a team to "buy."

What we've done a good job of in the past was scheduling really good mid-majors at home who may not have the sexy name but by the end of the season became really good wins for us. They also better prepared us for conference play.

 

[Mistachill]

UCF is an interesting example, I don’t know enough about how those games came about to comment on them.

Looking at previous years, it looks like Miami was H/H and they had some arrangement with Fla State where they played H/H with a neutral court in the middle.

Which brings us to another point. Obviously UCF has a good relationship with their Florida P5 schools. We have two P5 schools in the state, UVa and Va Tech. That needs to be discussed. I've heard that because of some bad blood from the Metro days there was a declaration that Va Tech will never agree to play VCU (have no idea how true that is). We've played UVa but can't seem to consistently get them on our schedule.

Remember, the game against Tech a few years ago was the governor's tournament where Va Tech was pretty much forced to play us.

 

[rammad90]

Looking at previous years, it looks like Miami was H/H and they had some arrangement with Fla State where they played H/H with a neutral court in the middle.

Which brings us to another point. Obviously UCF has a good relationship with their Florida P5 schools. We have two P5 schools in the state, UVa and Va Tech. That needs to be discussed. I've heard that because of some bad blood from the Metro days there was a declaration that Va Tech will never agree to play VCU (have no idea how true that is). We've played UVa but can't seem to consistently get them on our schedule.

Remember, the game against Tech a few years ago was the governor's tournament where Va Tech was pretty much forced to play us.

I've heard that and since the last time we played them we beat them. I heard after they stated they would never play us.

We have the overall 11-10. We have won 7 out of the last 10. We have won the last 2. The last game in 2013 we beat them by 30. Melvin was 8-11 from deep for 27 and Juvonte had a double double with 3 steals.

I give UVA their due, they are an elite academic institution, they've won a National Championship, and they have owned us head to head. 13-2. The preppies are jerks but they get it done and they've earned the right to talk a little trash.

The Hokies are not. They are afraid of us and the fact that as a academic institution, take away engineering, they arent much better if at all. Education, Social Work, Art, and Healthcare we smoke em. They just fake being elite. We are who we are and darned proud.

 

[G-Man]

The best thing we can do IMO is to schedule more home and homes with other decent mid-majors (F the P5 schools).

Also, why can’t we play in 2 neutral court events?

Maybe we have to give up 2-3 home dates, but probably at least one of these is also one less buy game where we have to pay another school.

To cover the lost revenue and additional travel costs, tighten up on the use of charters and make other budgetary concessions. For one thing, why does it take so many coaches to run a program? Anyone ever consider this?

If we start making consistent NCAA tournament runs and earning units then reward the program by giving back some of those “nice to haves”.

We complain about scheduling but it’s not like we can’t do anything about it. We just have to be willing to give up some things.

 

[PuddinDaStunna]

UCF is in the much stronger AAC at the moment, and going to the Big 12 next year. Like it or not, easier for them to schedule than us at this point, imho.

 

[Violet Ram]

The best thing we can do IMO is to schedule more home and homes with other decent mid-majors (F the P5 schools).

Also, why can’t we play in 2 neutral court events?

Maybe we have to give up 2-3 home dates, but probably at least one of these is also one less buy game where we have to pay another school.

To cover the lost revenue and additional travel costs, tighten up on the use of charters and make other budgetary concessions. For one thing, why does it take so many coaches to run a program? Anyone ever consider this?

If we start making consistent NCAA tournament runs and earning units then reward the program by giving back some of those “nice to haves”.

We complain about scheduling but it’s not like we can’t do anything about it. We just have to be willing to give up some things.

1. You can only do one exempt tournament a season under NCAA rules.
2. Traveling more and stopping charting would be a competitive disadvantage for recruiting.
3. Our scheduling outside of this year has been good to great.

 

[Ramlove81]

1. You can only do one exempt tournament a season under NCAA rules.
2. Traveling more and stopping charting would be a competitive disadvantage for recruiting.
3. Our scheduling outside of this year has been good to great.

Yes, generally our scheduling has been good. This year has been down, if that doesn't become a trend it should be okay.
Rumors abound of playing UVA again soon. I think all of the better non-P6 schools need to have a meeting and talk about scheduling each other more often. Of course we have Memphis and Temple this year, so we're already doing some of that.
BTW caught a bit of Memphis and Wichita earlier tonight and playing as we are now, we are in the game with either of them. Might not end up winning, but it would be a close game. Oh, and Temple is now 4th in the American.
Keep picking off the occasional P6 middler like Vandy and improve the buy games at home plus the pre-season tourneys and we'll do alright.

 

[duncanlamb]

Looking at next year..

Memphis and Temple at Home.
Houston on a Neutral
The Orlando with possibility of playing any 3 team combination of Virginia Tech, Iowa St, Texas A&M, Butler, Penn St, Boise St. and a MAAC Team

6 out of our 13 OOC right there with a veteran backcourt ( Ace, Nunn and Jackson).

 

[HBK]

Looking at previous years, it looks like Miami was H/H and they had some arrangement with Fla State where they played H/H with a neutral court in the middle.

Which brings us to another point. Obviously UCF has a good relationship with their Florida P5 schools. We have two P5 schools in the state, UVa and Va Tech. That needs to be discussed. I've heard that because of some bad blood from the Metro days there was a declaration that Va Tech will never agree to play VCU (have no idea how true that is). We've played UVa but can't seem to consistently get them on our schedule.

Remember, the game against Tech a few years ago was the governor's tournament where Va Tech was pretty much forced to play us.

I know we’re tentatively scheduled to start a home and home with UVA next season. If the home and home happens with UVA, then we’ll have played them 6 times in 12 seasons (13, 14, 17, 18, 23, 24). That’s not bad. We can’t expect Bennett to play us every season. Besides, he’s nice enough to schedule other state schools as well, so with the ACC going to 20 conference games, that doesn’t leave Bennett and staff a lot of room to schedule us.

That Virginia Tech thing baffles me. The Metro Conference issue was so long ago. I doubt anyone in a position of authority at either school was around back then, but what else could it be? They turn us down all the time.

 

[Ramlove81]

I know we’re tentatively scheduled to start a home and home with UVA next season. If the home and home happens with UVA, then we’ll have played them 6 times in 12 seasons (13, 14, 17, 18, 23, 24). That’s not bad. We can’t expect Bennett to play us every season. Besides, he’s nice enough to schedule other state schools as well, so with the ACC going to 20 conference games, that doesn’t leave Bennett and staff a lot of room to schedule us.

That Virginia Tech thing baffles me. The Metro Conference issue was so long ago. I doubt anyone in a position of authority at either school was around back then, but what else could it be? They turn us down all the time.

The last time we played them we beat them very, very badly! Playing us has not been a good experience for them.

 

[HBK]

The last time we played them we beat them very, very badly! Playing us has not been a good experience for them.

We’ve only played Virginia Tech once since 1995. Again, I’m thinking that no one in a position of authority now at either Virginia Tech or VCU was around the respective schools back then.