2022 Offseason

VCU Heel

Elite Member
Joined
Aug 7, 2012
Posts
15,073
Likes
19,027
@PRock, here are the turnovers, rebounding, and free throw numbers in VCUs 10 losses.



VCU: 15 tov, 22 rbs, 7-15 ft Wagner: 13 tov, 38 rbs (14 offensive), 13-15 ft

VCU: 12 tov, 28 rbs, 6-11 ft Chatt: 8 tov, 29 rbs (10 offensive), 9-13 ft

VCU: 18 tov, 31 rbs, 7-13 ft Baylor: 17 tov, 33 rbs(13 offensive), 18-24 ft

VCU: 11 tov, 28 rbs, 14-24 ft UCONN: 21 tov, 47 rbs(16 offensive) 23-28 ft

VCU: 13 tov, 24 rbs, 6-8 ft St Bon: 9 tov, 30 rbs (6 offensive), 23-27 ft

VCU: 7 tov, 19 rbs, 7-9 ft Dav: 16 tov, 30 rbs (5 offensive), 11 – 14 ft

VCU: 16 tov, 20 rbs, 14-16 ft Day: 11 tov, 38 rbs (16 offensive) 9-14 ft

VCU: 17 tov, 29 rbs, 12-15 ft St L: 17 tov, 30 rbs(8 offensive) 21-25 ft

VCU: 16 tov, 26 rbs, 6-9 ft Rich: 11 tov, 26 rbs(5 offensive) 26-32 ft

VCU: 19 tov, 32 rbs, 23-27 ft WF: 14 tov, 28 rbs(6 offensive), 29-37 ft



I think its pretty easy to see that rebounding and a free throws are a bigger factor in our loses than the turnovers. The advantage or disadvantage in turnover margin was usually small. In losses, the opponents advantage in rebounding or free throws was generally far more pronounced. Only the Wake loss could you make a reasonable argument that turnovers were the dominant factor in the loss, though Wake made 6 more free throws and we lost by 6. So that’s even questionable.

On the reverse side, in 11 or our 20 wins we were above our season average of 15.1 turnovers or had at least as many as the opposition, usually both (8 of 11).
I’d be most interested in 2 point and 3 point percentages in those games.
 

northernvatiger

Elite Member
Joined
Apr 21, 2009
Posts
10,661
Likes
11,965
Admittedly I haven't followed much college basketball since last season ended. Now that we're almost into October, we're getting close to the 2022-23 season.

So how do our Rams look? Can we look forward to a top 4 A-10 finish?
 

WillWeaverRVA

Elite Member
Joined
Dec 30, 2011
Posts
18,120
Likes
36,739
Admittedly I haven't followed much college basketball since last season ended. Now that we're almost into October, we're getting close to the 2022-23 season.

So how do our Rams look? Can we look forward to a top 4 A-10 finish?
Interestingly we are starting to be talked about. VCU was listed as “under consideration” for Andy Katz’ Power 36.

 

mrgeode

Top Tuna
Elite Member
Joined
Mar 22, 2013
Posts
10,876
Likes
23,523
Admittedly I haven't followed much college basketball since last season ended. Now that we're almost into October, we're getting close to the 2022-23 season.

So how do our Rams look? Can we look forward to a top 4 A-10 finish?
If we stay healthy and Jamir can come back at least as good as he was his freshman year we should be top four. If any of Ace/Jaylen/JJ have upper thier game, we should threaten for the top spot.
 

Mr. X

Elite Member
Insider
Joined
Mar 2, 2014
Posts
6,038
Likes
9,540
Forcing thing more...a good example is the NIT game against Wake.


"
VCU finished with 19 total turnovers, 13 of which came in the half. Wake Forest scored 13 points off those giveaways.
And many of those turnovers, like the bobbled pass midway through the first half, were unforced — 50-50 passes as Rhoades described, those of a risky variety.
“Sometimes teams are just going to make plays. And good players make good defensive plays,” Rhoades said. “But, like today, I just thought we had too many unforced turnovers.”

Turnovers are behind us. We will be better this year in the backcourt.
 
Joined
Mar 1, 2015
Posts
2,000
Likes
2,958
I’d be most interested in 2 point and 3 point percentages in those games.
The dude abides. Effective field goal percentage (sometimes there are not many 3 attempts)

VCU 440 Wagner 395

VCU 522 Chatt 452

VCU 474 Baylor 447

VCU 395 UCONN 392

VCU 452 SBU 490

VCU 509 Davidson 591

VCU 432 Dayton 579

VCU 482 SLU 522

VCU 579 Rich 521

VCU 490 Wake 500

5 over 5 under, nothing to see. No advantage big enough that couldn’t be overcome either way any game. On a side note VCU shot the ball well last year. First in the A10 in Fg%, third in 3 pt % (didn’t take that many).

Up and downs strikes and gutters. Sometimes you eat the bear. Sometimes the bear, well, he eats you. Just keep picking up your spares. Field goal percentage, 3 pointers, assist/turnover ratio, etc etc. Don’t worry about. Play down hill, play tough, get to foul line, rebound, second chance points, do that well and you will be fine. Easier said than done I guess. But it usually works and it gets you through the nights things aren’t going your way.
 
Joined
Mar 1, 2015
Posts
2,000
Likes
2,958
Sure, giving up ORs is a challenge and an area needing improvement, no arguments here. Still, i am not going to pearl clutch over an OR deficiency, when despite it, we still had the 8th rated defense in the country.

I am hopeful that we can break the top 340 in terms of the % of possesions we turn the ball over, to give a little boost to the 209th ranked offense.
Heck of defense. Best in the NIT by good margin.
 
Joined
Mar 1, 2015
Posts
2,000
Likes
2,958
Forcing thing more...a good example is the NIT game against Wake.


"
VCU finished with 19 total turnovers, 13 of which came in the half. Wake Forest scored 13 points off those giveaways.
And many of those turnovers, like the bobbled pass midway through the first half, were unforced — 50-50 passes as Rhoades described, those of a risky variety.
“Sometimes teams are just going to make plays. And good players make good defensive plays,” Rhoades said. “But, like today, I just thought we had too many unforced turnovers.”

You want to minimize the turnovers obviously, but I think its way overblown. Yeah the bad passes leading to fast points suck. But more often than not its the coach giving the media a bone at a presser. For fans, its a canned answer that's easy to digest. Its an understandable and forgivable sin. Doesn't call out any player or draw any negative attention to any way we approach the game. "We just have to take better care of ball". Whew, what a relief. Is a -5 or +5 margin in turnovers generally going to matter if you get pushed around and waxed on the boards or your -15 or 20 in free throw attempts? Most of the time, no, your going to lose. I guess nobody wants to hear "we really got roughed up tonight" or "they were easily able to attack or defense and get to the foul line, but they totally stonewalled us. We had no answer."
 

SteveMM

Elite Member
Joined
Feb 1, 2016
Posts
983
Likes
1,777
Are you out of the biz now?
Yes. I got out around 2000 after 8-9 years in the businesses. The money and the the hours both sucked. If one or the other of those had been good, I might still be doing it.
 

SteveMM

Elite Member
Joined
Feb 1, 2016
Posts
983
Likes
1,777
Despite Hurricane Ian coming right at his home on the Gulf Coast of Florida, Rams Rewind host George Templeton put together a new episode. Listen to his thoughts on the 2022-23 men's basketball schedule by clicking the link or on your favorite podcast site.


Note: We don't have a sponsor this year. We're hoping our listeners can help by donating a few dollars to help pay for hosting for this free podcast. Click the link: https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=GNDA32ENXYEJA
 
Top