A thread wishing for two bigs in at once (...occasionally)

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I will reject your request for Corey Douglas at the 4, not because it wouldn't work, but because Santos-Silva might have less double doubles.
Might also have more....
He doesnt get enough touches because hes well covered with cheaters slacking on the wings.
 

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Might also have more....
He doesnt get enough touches because hes well covered with cheaters slacking on the wings.
I can see this should Douglas(or whoever) produce and not allow the extra defender not stay with MSS.
Of course, that applies to anyone, anywhere, producing inside the arc.
 
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I can see this should Douglas(or whoever) produce and not allow the extra defender not stay with MSS.
Of course, that applies to anyone, anywhere, producing inside the arc.
He is capable and MSS has shown ability for good interior passing. It will certainly improve rebounding and that nothing but good.
 

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The slump over the last 2 games has more to do with defense than the offense.

Dayton's 22-0 run and the URI's previous have to with physical and mental fatigue from over reliance on the press to get steals. Instead, we need to rely more on our half court defense to get stops.

In this way, we have save our energy to execute at the offensive end, finish strong at the rim, and the legs to hit jump shots and prevent unforced mental errors af both ends of the floor (lazy passes, travelling with no defenders around, not getting back to protect the rim etc.).
When we're playing 9 or 10 against our opponents 6 or 7, it should be just the opposite. The bad guys should be losing their legs, we should have them still. This also does nothing to explain missing shots two minutes into the game.
 
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Frequently players are remembered better than they were. Houston is now a key component to a team he didn’t play one minute for. Over the top. Veal gave very little, Haley tipped off then got yanked, 1 Pt 1 Rb. Hinton never played min against meaningful competition. Skeen and Burgess went heavy minutes - small lineup. Reddic was a good freshman backup. That team was no deeper up front than this one. Last year either. Mobley didn’t really play inside and Gilmore was useless.
Agreed. Veal did play well and was a significant contributor in at least one game (USC?)
 
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When we're playing 9 or 10 against our opponents 6 or 7, it should be just the opposite. The bad guys should be losing their legs, we should have them still. This also does nothing to explain missing shots two minutes into the game.
Both teams missed shots it's at the beginning of the game.due to.nerves.
 
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Agreed. Veal did play well and was a significant contributor in at least one game (USC?)
He was significant in the Kansas game. He came off the bench and bodied up the Morris twins...swooped in with a tremendous two handed follow.up slam during that run

No, Houston wasnt a big contributor. But he was another big body to bring off the bench for part of the season.

The fact is we could reach DEEP into our bench and bring wide bodies or length to play physical basketball when warranted.

skeen 6'9 240, reddic 6'9 210, haley 6'11 225, Veal 6,7; 240, houston 6'8 240 or even Hinton(if desperate) 6'9 230.


This year's team is screwed when we lose MSS.
 
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If you look back you'll find Hinton played a significant role in the memorable victory over UCLA ... Rams' two best big men at one time were likely Kendrick Warren and Sherron Mills,. '92-'93. Mills, while lesser known of the two, was actually highest NBA drafted Ram until Maynor/Sanders .... Mills was second pick of second round, by Timberwolves in '93.
 
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Just from my morning research, I'd say no.

Here's one thing that's been an early killer:

A-10 effective field goal percentage (minutes/A-10 game)
Vann 18.2% (25) on 15 attempts
Curry 15.4% (14.3) on 11 attempts
Williams 21.9% (18) on 11 attempts

Also Marcus Evans' A-10 true shooting percentage is at 49.1% right now, down from 60.3% last season.

That's a lot of dead minutes on the offensive end with the three wings. Vann's % is down from 51.4%, Vince was a 52.5% EFG% in A-10 play last year while Curry barely played really. Basically we've just got a group of important players to this year's team in a VERY legit offensive slump early and all at the same time. They combined to go 0-13 against Rhody and 3-13 at Dayton for a team-killing 11.5% group shooting performance. You just can't beat good teams that way. That group also went 3-9 at Wichita State (missed all their threes) and 4-15 against Tennessee (only 1 was a three) and combined for 6 points against Purdue. According to kenpom Vince has played 44% of our available minutes at the 4 spot the last five games, Issac 57% of the small forward minutes and Key 32% of available minutes backing up De'Ri at the 2. That's a good chunk of minutes slumping on offense.
Awful...need to try something else or someone else to get better numbers.
 
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He was significant in the Kansas game. He came off the bench and bodied up the Morris twins...swooped in with a tremendous two handed follow.up slam during that run

No, Houston wasnt a big contributor. But he was another big body to bring off the bench for part of the season.

The fact is we could reach DEEP into our bench and bring wide bodies or length to play physical basketball when warranted.

skeen 6'9 240, reddic 6'9 210, haley 6'11 225, Veal 6,7; 240, houston 6'8 240 or even Hinton(if desperate) 6'9 230.


This year's team is screwed when we lose MSS.
No, we couldn’t. There were players of height, but beyond playing W & M, many were incapable of doing anything.

And Health Houston never played a second for the final 4 team. The following season he appeared for 38 minutes. His career totals were 6 points and 6 rebounds.
 

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Just cause I'm curious, here's how things went during the times we ran two bigs today...

Half No.1
Open with usual starters (Kel at the 4, so not two bigs)
Sub Corey in at 14:56 (Score is 11-6)

Corey + Marcus
VCU allows 2 points during this 2:55 seconds, scores 11 for a +9 over 2:55 of play
Increase VCU's lead together to 22-8

12:01 (Score is 22-8)
Hasan (in for Marcus) + Corey
VCU gives up no points during their time, scores 4 for a +4 in just under two minutes
Increases VCU's lead to 26-8

+18 points between 14:56 and 10:06 (4:50 of action)

10:06 we go to traditional 1 big

HALF No.1 RESULTS:
Outscore Bona by 18 with two bigs in 4:50
Outscore Bona by 10 without two bigs over 15:10

Half No.2
Open with usual starters
Sub Corey in at 15:48 (Score is 58-36)

Corey + Marcus
VCU gives up no points during their time, scored 4 for a +4 in less than two minutes)

14:02 (Score is 62-36)
Hasan (in for Marcus) + Corey
Increase score to 65-38 for a +1

+5 between 15:48 and 11:19, 4:29 of action

11:19 back to traditional 1 big until 2:56

2:56 Hasan + Corey
(85-51)
Duo finishes the game (91-63) for a -6 the final 2:56.

HALF No.2 RESULTS:
Outscored by Bona by 1 with two bigs in 7:25
Outscore Bona by 1 without two bigs in 12:35 of action

OVERALL 2 BIGS VERSUS 1 BIG RESULTS
2 Bigs: +17 in 12:15 of play
1 Big: +11 in 27:45


You could maaaaybe make the argument that the end there was effected by some garbage time action too, thus weakening the two big minute results overall because we were up massively at that point and started dumping the bench. Even with that though we were considerably more dangerous overall TODAY with two bigs on the court. Might not be the case all the time, but today, we totally dominated them when we went big. My calculations say we outscored them by approximately 0.40 points per minute playing our usual small by lineup, which over a full game results in a 16-point win, whereas we outscored them by 1.4 points per minute with two bigs, which over a full game equals a 56-point win :shock: . Again, just a one-game sample, but a style worth monitoring because we looked like world killers playing it today.

(Note: Marcus, Corey and Hasan aren't your old school stereotypical bigs...these dudes can move and defend smaller hoopers).
 

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Just cause I'm curious, here's how things went during the times we ran two bigs today...

Half No.1
Open with usual starters (Kel at the 4, so not two bigs)
Sub Corey in at 14:56 (Score is 11-6)

Corey + Marcus
VCU allows 2 points during this 2:55 seconds, scores 11 for a +9 over 2:55 of play
Increase VCU's lead together to 22-8

12:01 (Score is 22-8)
Hasan (in for Marcus) + Corey
VCU gives up no points during their time, scores 4 for a +4 in just under two minutes
Increases VCU's lead to 26-8

+18 points between 14:56 and 10:06 (4:50 of action)

10:06 we go to traditional 1 big

HALF No.1 RESULTS:
Outscore Bona by 18 with two bigs in 4:50
Outscore Bona by 10 without two bigs over 15:10

Half No.2
Open with usual starters
Sub Corey in at 15:48 (Score is 58-36)

Corey + Marcus
VCU gives up no points during their time, scored 4 for a +4 in less than two minutes)

14:02 (Score is 62-36)
Hasan (in for Marcus) + Corey
Increase score to 65-38 for a +1

+5 between 15:48 and 11:19, 4:29 of action

11:19 back to traditional 1 big until 2:56

2:56 Hasan + Corey
(85-51)
Duo finishes the game (91-63) for a -6 the final 2:56.

HALF No.2 RESULTS:
Outscored by Bona by 1 with two bigs in 7:25
Outscore Bona by 1 without two bigs in 12:35 of action

OVERALL 2 BIGS VERSUS 1 BIG RESULTS
2 Bigs: +17 in 12:15 of play
1 Big: +11 in 27:45


You could maaaaybe make the argument that the end there was effected by some garbage time action too, thus weakening the two big minute results overall because we were up massively at that point and started dumping the bench. Even with that though we were considerably more dangerous overall TODAY with two bigs on the court. Might not be the case all the time, but today, we totally dominated them when we went big. My calculations say we outscored them by approximately 0.40 points per minute playing our usual small by lineup, which over a full game results in a 16-point win, whereas we outscored them by 1.4 points per minute with two bigs, which over a full game equals a 56-point win :shock: . Again, just a one-game sample, but a style worth monitoring because we looked like world killers playing it today.

(Note: Marcus, Corey and Hasan aren't your old school stereotypical bigs...these dudes can move and defend smaller hoopers).
Simms was having trouble with Winston. Douglas came in and he did not. Douglas is more help on D and things go better on O as well.
 
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Just cause I'm curious, here's how things went during the times we ran two bigs today...

Half No.1
Open with usual starters (Kel at the 4, so not two bigs)
Sub Corey in at 14:56 (Score is 11-6)

Corey + Marcus
VCU allows 2 points during this 2:55 seconds, scores 11 for a +9 over 2:55 of play
Increase VCU's lead together to 22-8

12:01 (Score is 22-8)
Hasan (in for Marcus) + Corey
VCU gives up no points during their time, scores 4 for a +4 in just under two minutes
Increases VCU's lead to 26-8

+18 points between 14:56 and 10:06 (4:50 of action)

10:06 we go to traditional 1 big

HALF No.1 RESULTS:
Outscore Bona by 18 with two bigs in 4:50
Outscore Bona by 10 without two bigs over 15:10

Half No.2
Open with usual starters
Sub Corey in at 15:48 (Score is 58-36)

Corey + Marcus
VCU gives up no points during their time, scored 4 for a +4 in less than two minutes)

14:02 (Score is 62-36)
Hasan (in for Marcus) + Corey
Increase score to 65-38 for a +1

+5 between 15:48 and 11:19, 4:29 of action

11:19 back to traditional 1 big until 2:56

2:56 Hasan + Corey
(85-51)
Duo finishes the game (91-63) for a -6 the final 2:56.

HALF No.2 RESULTS:
Outscored by Bona by 1 with two bigs in 7:25
Outscore Bona by 1 without two bigs in 12:35 of action

OVERALL 2 BIGS VERSUS 1 BIG RESULTS
2 Bigs: +17 in 12:15 of play
1 Big: +11 in 27:45


You could maaaaybe make the argument that the end there was effected by some garbage time action too, thus weakening the two big minute results overall because we were up massively at that point and started dumping the bench. Even with that though we were considerably more dangerous overall TODAY with two bigs on the court. Might not be the case all the time, but today, we totally dominated them when we went big. My calculations say we outscored them by approximately 0.40 points per minute playing our usual small by lineup, which over a full game results in a 16-point win, whereas we outscored them by 1.4 points per minute with two bigs, which over a full game equals a 56-point win :shock: . Again, just a one-game sample, but a style worth monitoring because we looked like world killers playing it today.

(Note: Marcus, Corey and Hasan aren't your old school stereotypical bigs...these dudes can move and defend smaller hoopers).
And today was against the tallest team in the A-10. Glad to see Mike Rhoades take Hasan off of the ice and finally give him some minutes. Been preaching for it to happen sooner. The kid needs real minutes, good or bad. He is a third element down low that totally opens up the rest of the offense.
 
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