Except they have football, good football not ODU football and will be in the PAC sooner rather than later.
I think this off season will answer that question one way or another - i think we have 3 guys that will be in demand from others if they enter portal and may require Vcu to facilitate some serious NIL deals to fend off other suitors. IMHODoes VCU have a competitive NIL program?
The system is definitely not biased against mid majors..Six mid major schools got at large bids last year. As it stands today the Mountain West would get at least 3 and possibly 4 at large bids. The AAC & WCC would each get one at large. So thats 5 possibly 6. Both Charleston & FAU have reasonably good shots for at large bids as long as they don't lose early in their conference tourneys. So that's 7 or 8 mid major at large bids if the above plays out. If not its still gonna be at least 5. The MWC will get more at large bids than the Pac 10. They might get as many as the ACC. After USC & UCLA leave, the Pac 10 could easily become a 1 or 2 bid league every year.
Dayton & St Louis have no trouble getting games against P6 schools & other top mid major programs. This season St Louis played Memphis at home, Auburn away, Iona away, Boise St at home, Drake at home, & Maryland & Providence in a tourney. Thats 7 quality non conf games. Dayton played at UNLV and at Va Tech plus 3 games in the Bahamas. Last year Dayton played at SMU (won 24 games & were on the bubble) Va Tech at home and at Ole Miss. Plus 3 in the Orlando ESPN tournament. St Louis played at Memphis, at Boise, UAB at home (UAB won 25 games last year), Belmont at home (won 24 games last year), BC at home, Auburn at home & Iona at home. They played two mid/low majors in Cancun in a tourney.
St Louis non conf SOS was 48 last year. This year its #6. Dayton last year was #109. Ours is #72. Last year was #10. Our non conf schedule isn't bad. Its just average. Only 4 quality non conf win opportunities this season. And we went 1-3.
Tony Bennett wanted to schedule another H & H but said they couldn't work it out this year but he likes the rivalry with us and wants it to continue.
I will say, I am not going to put too much stock into the poor 3pt shooting. That happens every once in awhile. The problem was getting beat in crunch time from a coaching standpoint, a lack of focus at the free throw line, and worst of all in my opinion was the fact that down the stretch, it appeared as if Ace trusted NOBODY out there. He was holding onto the ball and forcing shots to will the victory. He has taken more of a game manager role over this streak and he regressed back to a more ball centric mentality at the end of the game. When we came back to beat Dayton, it was a team effort to come back and win, it wasn't Ace holding onto the ball forcing up desperate shots. That is on coaching. You can't allow that. Everyone has bad shooting nights, but the things you can control, you should. The free throw shooting is a joke and is a direct link to a lack of focus and we were far out executed by an inferior team. All that being said, we still had a chance to tie and win really, and if there are any positives to take from that game, that would be it.Besides the technical foul during a key moment of the game you had constant blown coverages on defense and sloppy turnovers. The offense consisted of throwing up a 3 or driving to the hoop - I saw no attempts at mid range jump shots. It all seemed so forced. The passing was just passing for the sake of passing?
VCU was 2-16 from 3 point land? The schemes and sloppy passing made it where even shooting from way outside was contested. In the 2nd half we started driving to the hoop more but when that also got cut off we were lost. Besides Ace - I saw little in the way of stepping up. We shot under 50% for the game and 55% from the FT line???? This kind of play and lack of effort was a throw back to the sonny smith era. I don't know how anyone could watch this game and say "the players have to make the shots" and not have some question about coaching. Also, it was a freaking sold out home game.
It may be a blip from a technical standpoint, but that's a blip that we cannot afford with our current NET ranking and tournament resume, that's the issue. That "blip" the other night very possibly could have lost us an at large opportunity. It's unfortunate, but that's what happens when you lose games you shouldn't and have hardly any quality wins to offset it. Our margin of error is so thin, it's transparent. You can't lose a game like that, let alone at home, with our credentials, and think it won't hurt us moving forward. We put ourselves in this position. We need(ed) to dig out of it, and we were, but unfortunately, we are in no position to be having "blips".One game is a blip, a gimme, a mulligan. Lets see what happens next week.
No one cares what any other coach or school does. Stop worrying about them and stop comparing us to them. We are an outlier, we have higher standards thus, higher expectations. We have earned that based on our results. I posted about this a little bit ago, but that's such a weak excuse to default back to "oh we're only a mid-major, no one else does this as a mid-major". Yeah, no one else does this, but WE do. We are different and that's a good thing. I absolutely hate this excuse and so many people just default back to this when we start losing.So you don’t think a midmajor team either has to win the 2-4 P5 matchups in their schedule or run the table in their conference to get an at-large? So any midmajor coach who can’t do that every single season is a bad coach?
We got better OOC games when we were full havoc tbh. So that argument about our style doesn’t really stick.Not much at all. Its a great excuse though.
Outside of 2011, our record against P5 programs is abysmal. Yes, the P5 are unlikely to engage us in a H/H series. But it is for reasons other than fear or trepidation regarding our style of play.We got better OOC games when we were full havoc tbh. So that argument about our style doesn’t really stick.
I don’t think VCU had an at large opportunity. They’d have had to run the table, and even then it is very doubtful they’d score one in my opinion.It may be a blip from a technical standpoint, but that's a blip that we cannot afford with our current NET ranking and tournament resume, that's the issue. That "blip" last night very possibly could have lost us an at large opportunity. It's unfortunate, but that's what happens when you lose games you shouldn't and have hardly any quality wins to offset it. Our margin of error is so thin, it's transparent. You can't lose a game like that, let alone at home, with our credentials, and think it won't hurt us moving forward. We put ourselves in this position. We need(ed) to dig out of it, and we were, but unfortunately, we are in no position to be having "blips".
right- why be great when you can be average...I think 3 tournaments in 7 years would be an amazing feat with how it is now. We’re spoiled because we had one of the biggest streaks in college basketball in the history of the ncaa tournament recently from 2011-2017, and that makes recent fans think an at-large is what we need to be a “successful team.” I might agree if RPI was still their tool.
That was crazy, and I hate to say it because I’m an optimistic fan, but I don’t think that kind of streak will ever happen again just because of the landscape of how it all is now. It won’t matter who our coach is. We’d have to take a smaller streak’s momentum to capitalize on recruiting and then somehow convince a coach (hopefully MR if mean fans don’t run him off) to stick around and endure the uphill battle of the midmajors so that recruits and momentum doesn’t leave with him. That’s what Gonzaga has done and why it’s so hard for other midmajors to replicate their success.
I get WHY our fanbase is obsessed with this goal, but I just don’t think enough people realize how difficult it actually is. Someone just above this is totally right: don’t drop to Jacksonville, win one or two against Memphis/Temple/ASU, don’t drop anymore bad home losses, but all of that together is HARD TO DO, even against poor competition. We’re close but just not there, and a lot of it comes down to silly things like tech calls and free throws. It’s all so achievable but insanely hard for any team to do it all every game, every season, even the best of the best programs.
It’s what makes college basketball exciting but excruciating at the same time.
Top 4 finish in our conference and 21+ wins every season is my personal marker for success for Rhoades. Maybe that makes me “Mooney-esque,” but it makes me a happier, more realistic fan.
I’ll change my tune when we aren’t in this conference or in a rare season where the top-half of our conference has good OOC wins.
We got better OOC games when we were full havoc tbh. So that argument about our style doesn’t really stick.
If you had asked me if I would be happy with 2 losses for VCU at the halfway point of A10 play I would have said yes after watching OOC play. I would not have expected those losses to be to Duquesne (although on the road) or Bona at home. If VCU can do the same in the second half 4 losses would be better than I would have guessed. Here is the thing though. Since Rhoades took over VCU has responded with stacked losses after a bad game like they had against Bona. Hope that it does not happen this year but tonight's game will give me the answer. All this being said, I do like Rhoades. I am not a hater. I do wonder what is gonna happen this offseason if they sh*t the bed.We got in better early season tournaments back then which led to better schedules. The quality of home and home matchups that we had were roughly the same.