Basketball fandom or mental illness?: A thread

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Ramlove81

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RamLover said:
I just disagree. If you know anything about the quad system and how it affects an at-large, you simply have to care about what the schools you play do in their own seasons. 25 wins doesn’t matter as much if they’re all against lower-ranked teams. I think you’re probably right that 25 wins usually gets you an at-large bid, but lots of P5 schools never crack 25 and still get a bid. If our schedules were better and the A10 wins were more impressive based on the quality of our opponents year to year, we wouldn’t feel the need to hit 25 to have a chance.

Beating a Dayton team that’s top 25 helps us get to the dance more than beating a sub 50 Dayton team, for just one example. Three years ago (as you mentioned), Dayton was literally having a dream season, and playing them (whether we won or lost), would move us up in rankings and be a quad 1 win/loss for us. It didn’t matter because we sucked that year, but if we had been on the bubble, just playing them would have helped us. That’s not true for any of our conference opponents this year. We’re all just messing it up for each other.

For instance, some people are applauding SLU losing to Fordham last night because it helps our conference standing and we’ve given up a shot at an at-large. If we hadn’t dropped to Jacksonville and won one of the others we lost, we’d be hurt by SLU’s loss. Pitt remaining highly-ranked helps us more than if they take a dip. It’s just fact. Unless we win out in noncon (which never happens because it’s not practical), you have to be concerned about other people’s performances, especially when you’re historically a bubble team BECAUSE YOU’RE A MIDMAJOR. There’s a reason people point out that the bubble teams are usually midmajors with fantastic records and P5 schools with mediocre ones. How can you see that pattern year in and year out and not see that midmajors have a disadvantage?

I get it, though. You expect our team to win 25+ games every season, and get mad when they don’t. I’m ok with it. You want us to be almost perfect so that what other schools do doesn’t matter, and I think our conference makes things harder for us. We just approach it differently.
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Definitely agree the SLU loss hurts us, no matter what conference standings are. There was a chance that if we win at SLU tomorrow that could have been a Q1 win. Borderline yes, but A1 all the same if they could crack 75 in the NET and stay there.
Same with us losing to Bonnies for them. Our loss made it a less quality win if they beat us there or in Richmond.
I think one of the reason they don't share the details of how the NET works is that is it specifically designed to make it harder for non-P5s to get at large bids. When the P5s then turn around and expand there conference schedules and leave less room for high MMs to be able to get games with them the strategy becomes clear.
 
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duncanlamb said:
I've concluded this thread is stupid. We are too busy hand wringing over the implications of March to absorb and enjoy the growth/maturation of this team.

The hardest thing in basketball(or any sports) is to learn how to win games in every situation. Learning how to play with a lead, learn how to come from behind, learn how to keep up the energy when the opponent is inferior, learn how to win on the road, learn how to win when opponents takes away part of your game plan or best player etc.

Learning to win consistently usually requires players who have logged alot of game time experience and time to develop chemistry...like the FF team..pretty much all seniors with alot of tournament experience prior to 2011..

Take a look at our starting 5. All 3 sophomore from 2021 class are in the starting lineup...2 of whom have logged 22 starts between them.Our sixth man, Jamir Watkins coming off an season ending injury. Zeb Jackson, a guy who had only played 120 minutes in 2 seasons.

Pretty remarkable that we are sitting on top first in the A10...the only team with any winning road w-l right now in.conference. .

All of them returning next year with winning experience logged under their belt..

This is where the joy comes from..watching the team develop over the course of the season.
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took you this long to come to that conclusion?
 
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duncanlamb said:
I've concluded this thread is stupid. We are too busy hand wringing over the implications of March to absorb and enjoy the growth/maturation of this team.

The hardest thing in basketball(or any sports) is to learn how to win games in every situation. Learning how to play with a lead, learn how to come from behind, learn how to keep up the energy when the opponent is inferior, learn how to win on the road, learn how to win when opponents takes away part of your game plan or best player etc.

Learning to win consistently usually requires players who have logged alot of game time experience and time to develop chemistry...like the FF team..pretty much all seniors with alot of tournament experience prior to 2011..

Take a look at our starting 5. All 3 sophomore from 2021 class are in the starting lineup...2 of whom have logged 22 starts between them.Our sixth man, Jamir Watkins coming off an season ending injury. Zeb Jackson, a guy who had only played 120 minutes in 2 seasons.

Pretty remarkable that we are sitting on top first in the A10...the only team with any winning road w-l right now in.conference. .

All of them returning next year with winning experience logged under their belt..

This is where the joy comes from..watching the team develop over the course of the season.
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Mr. Gambini? That is a lucid, intelligent, well-thought-out objection.
 
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RowdyPkunk said:
Now, if the P6 separate from everyone else.... the expectations will jump drastically for a lot of people. Instead of just making the Non P6 NCAA Tourney or NIT or w/e they decide to call it..... the expectations will likely be something like Sweet 16 or bust every year in that tournament.
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....or people won't care that much anymore and will spend their free time binge watching the hot show on Netflix instead.
 
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Half-baked Mcbride said:
The Last of Us (HBO) is really solid....
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That model may work in football because school like JMU never had the slightest chance at competing with the big boys. Mid-majors in hoops have consistently broken the glass ceiling competing in sweet 16s, elite 8s, final fours. Going backwards and eliminating that possibility will kill mid-major schools. Can't go backwards.
 
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AHEF said:
247sports.com

Ex-LSU coach Will Wade sounds off on potential return, transfer portal, current state of college basketball

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I read that and found it ironic his saying “just win” was all you had to do, like nothing else matters. That’s the approach that got him into trouble.

I think it’s funny that Will is comfortable talking like he’s some authority on running a program. Does anyone think he has any credibility?

Has he ever said he’s sorry for what he did?
 
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Ramlove81 said:
Definitely agree the SLU loss hurts us, no matter what conference standings are. There was a chance that if we win at SLU tomorrow that could have been a Q1 win. Borderline yes, but A1 all the same if they could crack 75 in the NET and stay there.
Same with us losing to Bonnies for them. Our loss made it a less quality win if they beat us there or in Richmond.
I think one of the reason they don't share the details of how the NET works is that is it specifically designed to make it harder for non-P5s to get at large bids. When the P5s then turn around and expand there conference schedules and leave less room for high MMs to be able to get games with them the strategy becomes clear.
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Blind resume test

Team #1
Quad 1 : 1-6
Quad 2: 5-1
Quad 3: 3-0
Quad 4: 6-0

Team 2:
Quad 1: 4-2
Quad 2: 4-4
Quad 3: 1-0
Quad 4: 7-1

Whose has the better resume?
 
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