ErdoWon!!!!

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  1. major ram

    major ram Hall of Famer

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    I am concerned about Erdogan and Iran. Not exactly sure where he is with them.
     
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  3. IstanbulRam

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    Late reply. Turkey and Iran have an economic relationship but Turkey is in NATO and Turkey and Iran are backing rival factions in the Iraq/Syrian conflict meaning that they are at odds in most foreign policy areas. Plus you have the whole Sunni/Shia spat that is playing itself in many different forms as we speak.

    Turkey is building a wall (near completion) for security purposes on the border with Iran if this helps answer your question.

    https://www.dailysabah.com/war-on-t...urity-wall-along-turkey-iran-border-completed
     
  4. IstanbulRam

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    Old News. But it happens in America... In both Louisianna and Tennesse creationism is taught in public schools. Sometimes it is taught exclusively. Sometimes it is taught side by side with Darwinism. Not too long ago in Chesterfield, there was a huge debate about teaching Creationism in the curriculum. Is America an open democracy? If the Virginia Legislation had voted to teach creationism in schools would that be evidence that Virginia's governance is undemocratic?

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/creationisms-latest-trojan-horse-edges-toward-virginia-schools

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...er-state-law-evolution-religion-a7632931.html

    https://www.theatlantic.com/educati...eaching-creationism-in-public-schools/421197/

    Also, I would agree it was a stupid move. Islam doesn't preach creationism. The Qu'ran alludes to evolution several times. There are very few "Islamic Creationists" (in the American understanding of creationism) and they are not taken very seriously amongst Islamic Scholars. In fact, the only widely known Muslim "creationist" is a quack named Adnan Oktar who runs a creepy cult in Istanbul. Islamic scholars would disagree with the Darwinian theory of evolution though, generally. Especially, regarding the creation of man. But overwhelmingly most agree with the idea of evolution as it is alluded to in several verses in the Quran. (Remember there are dozens of different evolutionary theories in biology)

    But it wasn't Erdoğan who made this decision. It was the Ministry of Education who pushed their new education curriculum. If you think Erdoğan has the time to edit 9th-grade biology textbooks you'd be wrong.

    If you are interested in the debate within Islam on Evolution/ Darwinian Evolution I have included a few links below. I think you'd find the last lecture by Dr. Rana Dajani, a professor of biology, particularly interesting.







     
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  5. RTutton

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    America is quickly moving away from being an open democracy. Not as fast as Turkey, but in the same ballpark.
     
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