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And who is a better candidate than VCU? Gonzaga is too far if basketball and Olympics are married together, perhaps even if the two weren't a package deal. Xavier and Dayton have always had an acrimonious relationship. SLU seems like a good choice, but their success and audience #s always seem to disappoint. WSU may have the best hardwood bonafines, but its outside the Big Easts footprint, nowhere near the academic level of the other Big East schools, and is still recovering from the scandals accompanying their only successful coach.

I mean, if Fox told the big east to expand, who do you think they'd pick?
First, I don’t think Fox will do that.

But if they do, schools like Richmond and Davidson might fit their model better than VCU.
 

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According to Pomeroy, these moves have allowed the A10 to jump the WCC and close the gap a lot with the AAC. Depending on who the AAC adds, they aren’t a significantly better conference than the A10 after the current moves.


ETA: If someone is willing and able to put the numbers together like this, then it would be interesting to see the same kind of spreadsheet with VCU moved to the BE and other possible moves like Wichita State to the A10. And seeing both mean and median would be helpful too.
 
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According to Pomeroy, these moves have allowed the A10 to jump the WCC and close the gap a lot with the AAC. Depending on who the AAC adds, they aren’t a significantly better conference than the A10 after the current moves.


ETA: If someone is willing and able to put the numbers together like this, then it would be interesting to see the same kind of spreadsheet with VCU moved to the BE and other possible moves. And seeing both mean and median would be helpful too.
Not really surprised, BYU is one of the only non-Gonzaga teams in the WCC that has had any level of success in the past decade or so. BYU headed to the B12 is a huge hit for them.
 

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According to Pomeroy, these moves have allowed the A10 to jump the WCC and close the gap a lot with the AAC. Depending on who the AAC adds, they aren’t a significantly better conference than the A10 after the current moves.


ETA: If someone is willing and able to put the numbers together like this, then it would be interesting to see the same kind of spreadsheet with VCU moved to the BE and other possible moves like Wichita State to the A10. And seeing both mean and median would be helpful too.
His numbers are wrong. MVC new and old are the same despite WSU moving conferences.

EDIT: also UConn should be affecting the big east
 

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Not really surprised, BYU is one of the only non-Gonzaga teams in the WCC that has had any level of success in the past decade or so. BYU headed to the B12 is a huge hit for them.
Also have a following across the country. The LDS Notre Dame sort of thing going on.

So according to Pomeroy with these additions, Big12 is still projected as the top bball conference?
 

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According to Pomeroy, these moves have allowed the A10 to jump the WCC and close the gap a lot with the AAC. Depending on who the AAC adds, they aren’t a significantly better conference than the A10 after the current moves.


ETA: If someone is willing and able to put the numbers together like this, then it would be interesting to see the same kind of spreadsheet with VCU moved to the BE and other possible moves like Wichita State to the A10. And seeing both mean and median would be helpful too.
Quick math based on kenpoms #s:

If kenpoms # do not include UConn, BE with VCU goes from 13.72 to 13.95.

If kenpoms # include UConn, BE with VCU goes from 13.72 to 13.93.

VCUs average rating over that period was 16.27. Without 2018, VCUs average would have been 18.27.

EDIT. In order for the Big East to overtake the ACC in these ratings (assuming with UConn), a school would have to average a 21.88 rating from 2014 to 2021. KU averaged a 24.96 during this time and Gonzaga a 27.51. Adding either KU or Gonzaga puts the Big East at #3, while adding both would put the big east as #1 now with a 15.64.
 
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His numbers are wrong. MVC new and old are the same despite WSU moving conferences.

EDIT: also UConn should be affecting the big east
Those numbers include WSU being in the AAC and UConn being in the BE.

The old numbers were for before the TX/OU move and the 4 additions to the B12. The new numbers include those moves.
 

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Quick math based on kenpoms #s:

If kenpoms # do not include UConn, BE with VCU goes from 13.72 to 13.95.

If kenpoms # include UConn, BE with VCU goes from 13.72 to 13.93.

VCUs average rating 9ver that period was 16.27. Without 2018, VCUs average would have been 18.27.
His numbers do include UConn in the BE. They’re based on what the conference makeups were just prior to the OU/TX move.

A 13.72 to 13.93 change for the BE doesn’t suggest that VCU would move the needle much for them on a competitive standpoint.
 
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