HAVOC Unlimited Collective Launches to Support Name, Image, Likeness for VCU Student-Athletes

[Reddic-ulous]

I hope that when they look at these deals some kids are getting, that they ask themselves, "What is the typical value for the things that this student-athlete is supposedly doing to earn the money he/she is being given?" NIL, we all know, is SUPPOSED to allow kids to make money off of their faces and names. Player X, a basketball player at a large P5 conference, may be making $500K. What the heck is he doing for all of that money? An occasional appearance? Maybe a single commercial? Anything at all? That money isn't supposed to be compensation for playing the sport. That's what the scholarship is for. The extra money is supposed to be for the extra work of endorsing, etc. What ticks me off to my core is that schools have decided the new NIL rules are just a way to pay players for coming to their school, and the NCAA isn't doing anything about it.

What is the ncaa supposed to do about this? Everyone has already made it clear they don’t want the ncaa policing these things. They make a rule, they will lose another lawsuit stating that at Texas one tweet about their collective is worth 400k. It’s now the free market for players and payments for “appearances” or autographs is determined by what people are willing to pay.

 

[SteveMM]

What is the ncaa supposed to do about this? Everyone has already made it clear they don’t want the ncaa policing these things. They make a rule, they will lose another lawsuit stating that at Texas one tweet about their collective is worth 400k. It’s now the free market for players and payments for “appearances” or autographs is determined by what people are willing to pay.

The sad part is that it has already gotten so far out of hand that I'm not sure they can even find the genie's bottle, let alone put him back into it. I don't give a crap what everyone wants. That "everyone" is really the P5 schools with tons of donor money to spend. Once the court ruling came down, the NCAA should have put together sensible rules that would satisfy the court ruling while also keeping schools from just throwing money at kids. It didn't, and now here we are.

 

[WestEndEd]

Here's a question no one has asked: Do we still even WANT to be a "mid major"?

Do we want to pay kids VIA NIL?

Do we want to have a war chest/pile of cash on hand to keep and attract players?

Or do we just want to walk off into the sunset, and go back to the CAA ?

The Flying Squirrells and Richmond Kickers games are a lot of fun, and they are not obsessed with sucking up to big donors.

The just want to make sure everyone has a good time at the games.

Do you want to watch the best players (NIL) money can buy, or do you want people who WANT to come to VCU?

"OH but we HAVE to have the new sports complex, and a bigger performance center, and..."

No we don't.

No one wants us to be Texas or Alabama. Do they?

I guess some people want to rehire Will Wade and make strong ass offers to people. Which is just getting us into an arms race we can't ever win. What would be wrong with having road games you can drive to, and kids who want to be engineers and doctors when they graduate?

We are already pricing a lot of fans out of the games, let's stop it.

 

[Ramaholic]

Here's a question no one has asked: Do we still even WANT to be a "mid major"?

Do we want to pay kids VIA NIL?

Do we want to have a war chest/pile of cash on hand to keep and attract players?

Or do we just want to walk off into the sunset, and go back to the CAA ?

The Flying Squirrells and Richmond Kickers games are a lot of fun, and they are not obsessed with sucking up to big donors.

The just want to make sure everyone has a good time at the games.

Do you want to watch the best players (NIL) money can buy, or do you want people who WANT to come to VCU?

"OH but we HAVE to have the new sports complex, and a bigger performance center, and..."

No we don't.

No one wants us to be Texas or Alabama. Do they?

I guess some people want to rehire Will Wade and make strong ass offers to people. Which is just getting us into an arms race we can't ever win. What would be wrong with having road games you can drive to, and kids who want to be engineers and doctors when they graduate?

We are already pricing a lot of fans out of the games, let's stop it.

There is some wisdom and reasoning in your post. I think we can keep winning in the A10 without having a warchest of NIL collective $$.

 

[mrgeode]

If you make

Every phrase

In your post

Its own paragraph

You look like a deranged

Robert Frost.

Try writing

Not like this.

It makes all

The difference.

 

[rambunctiousrowdyram]

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[83VCU]

Athletes can still work just like other students. In fact, most of the college athletes I knew all worked (except for the basketball players). And we all practiced the same approximate amount of hours. A big difference was that all the other sports didnt have any people paying to watch them play. so in a way, the MBB players are in a different category than the other student athletes. I wish the NCAA would set a modest salary cap for NCAA sports -maybe 10% of gate revenue and NCAA earnings can go to the student athletes in that sport.

Oh, I know they work jobs, plus the sport and school requirements. Nobody said it was easy. Even coming up with. a good NIL method is not, as we are seeing, easily done.
Plus, one of my other business rules- No committee ever came up with a good idea. They do shoot down bad ones. lol

 

[VCU Finance 2008]

There is some wisdom and reasoning in your post. I think we can keep winning in the A10 without having a warchest of NIL collective $$.

We can but folks don't seem happy with simply winning in the A10. We are number one in the league right now with six games to go in the regular season and several people on here have said that they don't care about the rest of the regular season. We also have a thread about firing our coach.

 

[Ramaholic]

We can but folks don't seem happy with simply winning in the A10. We are number one in the league right now with six games to go in the regular season and several people on here have said that they don't care about the rest of the regular season. We also have a thread about firing our coach.

Then I guess we will have to plow money into the collective. I'm not doing it. My guess is most of the people that think this is great don't have the money to give and most of the people that have the money will think its an absurd idea at our level.
I could be talked into an NIL deal with an athlete if it made sense for my business or for me personally (like having a player at a kids b-day party). But send Rodney a check and hope he gets it to the people to do the proper distribution? Nope. Not gonna support that. 90% of this will just be money moving from the RAF to the collective and then the RAF asking for more $$.

 

[duncanlamb]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1625577186433400833

 

[VCU Finance 2008]

Then I guess we will have to plow money into the collective. I'm not doing it. My guess is most of the people that think this is great don't have the money to give and most of the people that have the money will think its an absurd idea at our level.
I could be talked into an NIL deal with an athlete if it made sense for my business or for me personally (like having a player at a kids b-day party). But send Rodney a check and hope he gets it to the people to do the proper distribution? Nope. Not gonna support that. 90% of this will just be money moving from the RAF to the collective and then the RAF asking for more $$.

If you have Ace at your birthday party doing magic tricks I want an invite!

 

[Bluey]

If you make

Every phrase

In your post

Its own paragraph

You look like a deranged

Robert Frost.

Try writing

Not like this.

It makes all

The difference.

“Deranged Robert Frost“ FTW

 

[RESRam]

Like others, I'm very disturbed about the turn that NIL has taken. It was intended for athletes to be able to make money off of their "fame" by endorsing products, selling stuff with their image, making appearances, etc. It's very rapidly morphed into schools raising money to pay the athletes. I'm hating this.

NCAA-ready, fire, aim.

 

[petie dink]

Why should athletes be limited to 4-5 years of eligibility? They should get as many years as they want and unlimited benefits. Kind of like Tom Brady.

 

[WestEndEd]

So has the fund rules and goals been fleshed out any?