JMU(1) vs NDSU(2) for FCS Championship

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Two of the best defenses in the country will be playing some "old school, smash-mouth" football this Saturday at Noon on ESPN2.

Unlike FBS football, FCS teams actually have to play and earn their way into a championship game.
 
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Two of the best defenses in the country will be playing some "old school, smash-mouth" football this Saturday at Noon on ESPN2.

Unlike FBS football, FCS teams actually have to play and earn their way into a championship game.

Def pulling for JMU on this..

As far your 2nd statement people do you have to play to earn their way to the championship game...... the differences though are:

1. Fewer playoff spots available..... Only 4 playoff spots in FBS vs FCS that has 32 (I Think)

2. In FBS the entire season matters for making the playoffs..... you lose more than 1 (or worst case 2)... you are completely out of the playoff discussion. Also if you have a bad loss... and/or don't play a tough enough schedule.... you're out. Look at teams like Boise State & UCF.... Boise State a few years ago was undefeated & even in the Top 10.... no one even mentioned them for the Nat'l Champ game. UCF this year was undefeated also... not even in the Top 10, nor in the discussion of the playoffs. In Large part because they didn't play any Power 5 schools & beat them.

If in FCS Boise State & UCF would be like JMU & North Dakota State.... constantly hosting playoff games year in and year out.... But because they don't schedule P5 schools.... they will likely never make the Playoffs on the FBS level.... as long as there's only 4 spots.... and if they lose even 1 game... they're completely out of the discussion. Navy was also in this situation a few years ago where they were 9-1 (only loss to Notre Dame) going into the game against Houston... and were ranked like 11th or something..... and the committee said that if necessary the committee would hold Final rankings until after the Army-Navy game... if they were still in the discussion..... then they end up losing to Houston.... and that ended all that discussion.

In FCS you can have multiple losses & still get in the playoffs & have a shot at the FCS National Title.... In FBS, if you have more than 1 loss you more than likely will not get in under the current playoff format. Though Auburn almost got in this year with 2 losses.... but look at the schedule.... they lost a close one to defending national champs Clemson & then lost @ LSU..... but they beat 3 ranked opponents (Miss. State, and #1 GA & #1 Alabama)..... had they beaten Georgia in the SEC Champ. Game.... they would've been the first ever team with 2 losses in the FBS playoffs under the current format.... but they lost & were out.

FCS it's a lot easier to get to the playoffs than FBS.
 
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Tough way for the Dukes to lose; making those uncharacteristic mistakes cost them.

Rowdy, great post!
College sports fans have been debating the FBS "playoff's" forever. So nothing new but until the NCAA goes to a 8 or 16 team playoff system instead of those Bubba's Plumbing Bowl games, the "best of the FBS" will always be determined and debated based of the popularity contest that's held before a single game is played and teams know them need to schedule and game plan to defend that ranking.

With FCS each team starts the year equal (for the most part) and they play their way to into the playoffs. Every FCS playoff game matters, just like March Madness where you have to walk the talk.
 

RowdyPkunk

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Tough way for the Dukes to lose; making those uncharacteristic mistakes cost them.

Rowdy, great post!
College sports fans have been debating the FBS "playoff's" forever. So nothing new but until the NCAA goes to a 8 or 16 team playoff system instead of those Bubba's Plumbing Bowl games, the "best of the FBS" will always be determined and debated based of the popularity contest that's held before a single game is played and teams know them need to schedule and game plan to defend that ranking.

With FCS each team starts the year equal (for the most part) and they play their way to into the playoffs. Every FCS playoff game matters, just like March Madness where you have to walk the talk.

The other problem with FBS, which we see all the time in CBB is that These "Mid Major" or w/e you wanna call the American Conference/A-10 is that a lot of those schools are not facing tough OOC opponents.... now not all of that is their fault as the P5's don't wanna schedule teams that would be a "bad loss" if an upset happens.

Look at UCF for example... you look at what cost them a shot in the CFB playoffs.... it's the lack of quality opponents. Sure they faced Memphis twice, and they faced South Florida.... but you look at their OOC opponents FIU, Ga Tech, Maryland, and Austin Peay.... that's not gonna get you in the playoffs under the current format.

Someone tried to debate this with me last night as I was playing poker at Baja.... and tried to say that a team Ohio State has no argument as to why they should be in over UCF.... and he starts bringing up the fact they're undefeated, won their conference championship etc.....

So I mentioned... what about their overall schedule? They faced really only 2 quality opponents in USF & Memphis.... Navy & Houston had off years, ECU & some of the other conference opponents were bad... and their OOC was not impressive at all. I woulda been more impressed if they beat FAU instead of FIU.

If it were up to me... here's how I would do the playoffs
1. Expand the playoffs to 8 teams
2. Guarantee 1 playoff spot for each of the P5 conferences (Big 12, Big 10, ACC, SEC, Pac 12)
3. Guarantee 1 playoff spot for the best team from the Group of 5 schools (So basically any of the other Non P5 D1 schools.... Boise State, UCF, Navy.... just examples of teams who have been "close" to in the conversation for the playoffs).
4. The last 2 spots are the highest ranked teams among the rest.

So if we used this formula this year.... your 8 teams (in no particular order would have been)
Big 12- Oklahoma
Big Ten- Ohio State
ACC- Clemson
SEC- Georgia
Pac 12- USC
Group of 5- UCF
2 Wild cards among highest ranked- Alabama & Wisconsin.

Those would've been your 8 teams.... and then obviously you can just order them based on how they were ranked in the last regular season rankings... so your seeding & matchups would be:

#1 Clemson vs #8 UCF (were lowest ranked of those 8 teams)
#2 Oklahoma vs #7 USC
#3 Georgia vs # 6 Wisconsin
#4 Alabama vs #5 Ohio State

A lot of people are against expanding it cause they think it would lessen the value/importance of a regular season.... or would lessen the intrigue of the CFP ranking show or any of that.... but I disagree.... in fact I think it would make things more interesting... cause you think about it... then people would've been debating... Who should get in between Ohio State, Auburn, Penn State, Miami, Wisconsin.. etc.

And you could still use the bowl locations for the 7 playoff games that would be a part of it.... and you could just rotate who gets the National Title game or what not.... OR make the first round of the CFP at host sites... to give more meaning to those who get the Top 4 spots. Kinda like FCS does.