Joe Bamisile’s waiver denied by NCAA

[TampaKAP]

Personally, I think players should probably have freedom to move as much as they want without sitting out. This is a for-profit business and for many of these players their 4-5 years in college could be the highest earning potential years of their lives. The programs and coaches aren’t bound to their players, so the players shouldn’t be bound to their programs and coaches. If programs want the players to be stuck with them, then they should give the players a contract with salary and benefits (in particular health insurance that covers their injuries even after they leave). It’s extremely hypocritical for some schools to have more than a hundred million dollars a year in revenues and for players to have to chose between staying at places they aren’t happy or sit out a year... particularly when they aren’t getting a slice of the multi-billion dollar pie. NIL helps, but not for everyone.

That said, from a VCU basketball perspective where we can’t compete financially with the big boys and don’t provide the kind of national stage that most of these players seek, this is probably a good decision for the long term health of the program. And it definitely should change our recruiting strategy from mostly high school kids with the occasional transfer to mostly transfers with the occasional high school kid.

#Respect

 

[mrgeode]

There's what's best for any given player in the here and now, and there's what's best for all players as a whole going forward in the future, IF they want to participate in what we think of as college basketball. Unfettered season-to-season player free agency via transfer would eventually destroy that. In the short term meantime some players can use it to their advantage, but once the institution collapses, that goes away, and it's uncertain what exactly would replace it... something even more exploitative and/or just less rewarding is very possible (think old minor league baseball).

Professional major leagues have salary caps and other mandates to promote franchise health and competitiveness across the enterprise, to better the over-all product. Players unions have collective bargaining agreements to similarly protect the entire body of talent from the worst excesses of exploitation.

If the consensus is that college basketball (college revenue sports generally) is something worthy of preserving, then its short-term operation shouldn't be run in a way that eventually destroys it. Limiting player freedom of movement arguably works to help maintain medium-term stability, but there's enough inherent unfairness possible in the results to also cause longer term weakness (talent opts out to go elsewhere). Coaches move and abandon players. Coaches push out and recruit over players. Much transfer traffic is coach-driven. If players had compensation and protection (such as multi-year scholarship contracts), it could help stability while improving fairness, and lessen the outsized impact that coaching turbulence tends to have. Multi-year contacts would also increase the responsibilities between players and institutions, and presumably the larger enterprise (the NCAA or whatever successor) would be able to institute protective floors and ceilings (e.g. salary cap) to regulate against runaway excesses.

No argument with any of this. I'm OK with a paradigm shift though, as I think the way we're headed football will be divorced from all other sports relatively soon. That doesn't cure all ills by a long stretch, but it does provide a jumping off point for a fresh-ish start.

 

[rammad90]

Personally, I think players should probably have freedom to move as much as they want without sitting out. This is a for-profit business and for many of these players their 4-5 years in college could be the highest earning potential years of their lives. The programs and coaches aren’t bound to their players, so the players shouldn’t be bound to their programs and coaches. If programs want the players to be stuck with them, then they should give the players a contract with salary and benefits (in particular health insurance that covers their injuries even after they leave). It’s extremely hypocritical for some schools to have more than a hundred million dollars a year in revenues and for players to have to chose between staying at places they aren’t happy or sit out a year... particularly when they aren’t getting a slice of the multi-billion dollar pie. NIL helps, but not for everyone.

That said, from a VCU basketball perspective where we can’t compete financially with the big boys and don’t provide the kind of national stage that most of these players seek, this is probably a good decision for the long term health of the program. And it definitely should change our recruiting strategy from mostly high school kids with the occasional transfer to mostly transfers with the occasional high school kid.

I dont know that forcing a kid to sit for a. year if he is a double transfer necessary helps us. At least for guys like Bam.

I do see that it makes a player more accountable if they decide to transfer initially That has some benefit. Also, if a HC leaves and the kid committed to the Coach it could present issues.The last thing you want is a person in your program that really doesnt want to be there.

I do see howt the rule gives the schools more leverage but I dont see it as a slam dunk for the schools.

Also, agree whether it proves beneficial to the school or not, it isnt fair to the student athlete. That is unless they burden HC's as well as the programs in some way.

 

[rammad90]

There's what's best for any given player in the here and now, and there's what's best for all players as a whole going forward in the future, IF they want to participate in what we think of as college basketball. Unfettered season-to-season player free agency via transfer would eventually destroy that. In the short term meantime some players can use it to their advantage, but once the institution collapses, that goes away, and it's uncertain what exactly would replace it... something even more exploitative and/or just less rewarding is very possible (think old minor league baseball).

Professional major leagues have salary caps and other mandates to promote franchise health and competitiveness across the enterprise, to better the over-all product. Players unions have collective bargaining agreements to similarly protect the entire body of talent from the worst excesses of exploitation.

If the consensus is that college basketball (college revenue sports generally) is something worthy of preserving, then its short-term operation shouldn't be run in a way that eventually destroys it. Limiting player freedom of movement arguably works to help maintain medium-term stability, but there's enough inherent unfairness possible in the results to also cause longer term weakness (talent opts out to go elsewhere). Coaches move and abandon players. Coaches push out and recruit over players. Much transfer traffic is coach-driven. If players had compensation and protection (such as multi-year scholarship contracts), it could help stability while improving fairness, and lessen the outsized impact that coaching turbulence tends to have. Multi-year contacts would also increase the responsibilities between players and institutions, and presumably the larger enterprise (the NCAA or whatever successor) would be able to institute protective floors and ceilings (e.g. salary cap) to regulate against runaway excesses.

Dartmouth men are tying to unionize. The system has and will continue to change. I agree with your assessment.

 

[Valley drop step]

Joe should still have 2 years of eligibility left after sitting out a year. He still gets a fifth year of eligibility because of the COVID season and has six years to pay 5 seasons.

The twist is that if he graduates from VCU this year while sitting out, then he can transfer to a fifth school in 5 years and would not have to sit out because he would be a graduate transfer and the multi-transfer rule does not apply to graduate transfers.

He has several options:
1. Decide he doesn’t want to sit out a year and leave VCU now to play pro basketball.
2. Sit out a year at VCU and play 1-2 more seasons here.
3. Sit out a year at VCU, graduate, and transfer somewhere else to play 1-2 seasons.
4. Sit out a year at VCU, play 1 season at VCU, and then transfer out to another school as a graduate transfer for 1 season.

Not really interested in the minutia of his eligibility. I hope he does well in school and on the court, whenever that is. They are just faces in the crowd now the way it is.

He does have other options:

5. [CONTENT REDACTED]

6. Drop out and start a group. Stick it to the NCAA president and call it The Chyrlyy Bykyr Band. Hard nosed Memphis Soul with a touch of hip hop and gospel.

 

[Ramdog]

What if basketball is a sort of therapy for him. A few hours a day he can get away. A chance to focus on something else.

It probably what he knows and something him and his Dad spent a lot of time working on. A distraction if you will.

The alternative is sitting around having to deal with your issues with no relief.

Is only D1 proper therapy?

 

[WillWeaverRVA]

Is only D1 proper therapy?

This would be the same issue if these were all D2 or all D3 schools.

Anyway, article:

 

[vcubballfan10]

Not really interested in the minutia of his eligibility. I hope he does well in school and on the court, whenever that is. They are just faces in the crowd now the way it is.

He does have other options:

5. [CONTENT REDACTED]

6. Drop out and start a group. Stick it to the NCAA president and call it The Chyrlyy Bykyr Band. Hard nosed Memphis Soul with a touch of hip hop and gospel.

This is a disgusting, embarrassing post. I get you think it's probably funny, but it's not.

 

[AHEF]

There's what's best for any given player in the here and now, and there's what's best for all players as a whole going forward in the future, IF they want to participate in what we think of as college basketball. Unfettered season-to-season player free agency via transfer would eventually destroy that. In the short term meantime some players can use it to their advantage, but once the institution collapses, that goes away, and it's uncertain what exactly would replace it... something even more exploitative and/or just less rewarding is very possible (think old minor league baseball).

Professional major leagues have salary caps and other mandates to promote franchise health and competitiveness across the enterprise, to better the over-all product. Players unions have collective bargaining agreements to similarly protect the entire body of talent from the worst excesses of exploitation.

If the consensus is that college basketball (college revenue sports generally) is something worthy of preserving, then its short-term operation shouldn't be run in a way that eventually destroys it. Limiting player freedom of movement arguably works to help maintain medium-term stability, but there's enough inherent unfairness possible in the results to also cause longer term weakness (talent opts out to go elsewhere). Coaches move and abandon players. Coaches push out and recruit over players. Much transfer traffic is coach-driven. If players had compensation and protection (such as multi-year scholarship contracts), it could help stability while improving fairness, and lessen the outsized impact that coaching turbulence tends to have. Multi-year contacts would also increase the responsibilities between players and institutions, and presumably the larger enterprise (the NCAA or whatever successor) would be able to institute protective floors and ceilings (e.g. salary cap) to regulate against runaway excesses.

I have issue with a group of people who want to control & limit a player freedom of movement. I don't believe they have the right to determine that the reasons they want to transfer need a committee's approval. A player should have the right to decide what they believe is best for them. A decision to transfer is not taken lightly by the players. I wonder how many players there are that have multiple transfers that have to be approved. The same logic that is being used, could also apply to the 1st transfer and that they need to be approved too. It took time for NIL to happen, and this is another area that players need control over not a 3rd party that has no harm for a wrong decision.

 

[share the ball]

I have issue with a group of people who want to control & limit a player freedom of movement. I don't believe they have the right to determine that the reasons they want to transfer need a committee's approval. A player should have the right to decide what they believe is best for them. A decision to transfer is not taken lightly by the players. I wonder how many players there are that have multiple transfers that have to be approved. The same logic that is being used, could also apply to the 1st transfer and that they need to be approved too. It took time for NIL to happen, and this is another area that players need control over not a 3rd party that has no harm for a wrong decision.

not a group of people - it is the men's basketball coaches that want to control and limit - they don't want to lose players they spend time recruiting and developing and then have to scramble to replace

mid majors have prospered through the years by identifying diamonds in the rough (so to speak) and developing them. A free agent system will ultimately award those schools with the biggest NIL piggy bank IMHO -

not sure that is system I will watch on tv or follow or buy tickets to or donate money toward

 

[TampaKAP]

not a group of people - it is the men's basketball coaches that want to control and limit - they don't want to lose players they spend time recruiting and developing and then have to scramble to replace

mid majors have prospered through the years by identifying diamonds in the rough (so to speak) and developing them. A free agent system will ultimately award those schools with the biggest NIL piggy bank IMHO -

not sure that is system I will watch on tv or follow or buy tickets to or donate money toward

Thing is the one time transfer is where this would happen and almost no one is talking about taking that away. The kids that are being “taught a lesson “ are the multi time transfers. For the record this year in D1 there were just over 1800 entries into the portal and less than 2% were multi time transfers. So how does making say less than 5% of the kids transferring solve anything. My guess without looking at the data is that it is a much bigger issue in football and basketball is just a victim of the larger ruling. Also some fans are never going to be happy when a player leaves be it one, two or three years. MSS graduated and was vilified by many

 

[northernvatiger]

Any thoughts as to whether this will be appealed?

 

[AHEF]

not a group of people - it is the men's basketball coaches that want to control and limit - they don't want to lose players they spend time recruiting and developing and then have to scramble to replace

mid majors have prospered through the years by identifying diamonds in the rough (so to speak) and developing them. A free agent system will ultimately award those schools with the biggest NIL piggy bank IMHO -

not sure that is system I will watch on tv or follow or buy tickets to or donate money toward

the BB coaches and NCAA are both groups that want to have control over the players. That is what is happening to players 1st transfers more than someone going to a 3rd transfer. It also happens as players decommit if they believe there is better option for them. IMO impact on college sports due to transfer is irrelevant. The players right to decide where to play is freedom of their bodies.

 

[AHEF]

Thing is the one time transfer is where this would happen and almost no one is talking about taking that away. The kids that are being “taught a lesson “ are the multi time transfers. For the record this year in D1 there were just over 1800 entries into the portal and less than 2% were multi time transfers. So how does making say less than 5% of the kids transferring solve anything. My guess without looking at the data is that it is a much bigger issue in football and basketball is just a victim of the larger ruling. Also some fans are never going to be happy when a player leaves be it one, two or three years. MSS graduated and was vilified by many

Thanks for looking that up. That about 36 players. Is that for all sports or just BB? It is much smaller if all players (non-transfers) are used to calculate the %. Is there info. on how many were granted? The only lesson I see being taught is that the player does not control their body or their mind. That "WE the Annointed" say we don't believe your reasons so you are not allowed to play in games, you must be punished for your personal choice. IMO, I expect this to go to court, is there really any difference than the NIL. I don't mean Joe just as a group for player rights.

 

[SteveMM]

Any thoughts as to whether this will be appealed?

Joe said in his statement that he’s appealing, and VCU said in its statement that it’s backing him up.