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Here's the problem, you can apply that to just about anything. So in a nutshell if you follow that mindset consistently we (fans) shouldn't question anything. I'm not sure I agree with that.
Oh you can question whatever you like, including effort. For me though, it’s pretty far down the list of concerns with why a dude might be underperforming, but simplicity has its elegance.
 

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Oh you can question whatever you like, including effort. For me though, it’s pretty far down the list of concerns with why a dude might be underperforming, but simplicity has its elegance.
I think in most cases (at least with me) it has to be very obvious. And I think we should acknowledge that there are situations when players (some more than others) don't give max effort. I don't think it requires being a prime athlete yourself and sitting next to the guy on the bench to notice.

The bigger issue may be there's a reason for it we may not be aware of (injury, something going on personally, etc.).
 

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I think in most cases (at least with me) it has to be very obvious. And I think we should acknowledge that there are situations when players (some more than others) don't give max effort. I don't think it requires being a prime athlete yourself and sitting next to the guy on the bench to notice.

The bigger issue may be there's a reason for it we may not be aware of (injury, something going on personally, etc.).
How many coaches are fit enough to run suicides competitively with their players?
 

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With MR, I don't think it is just about giving it your all during practices and games. He has specifically stated he loves "gym rats". I'm sure he has eyes on all his players and knows who is spending their free time in the BDC, regardless of what they are doing. Then you get more points for watching tape, spending time in the weight room, putting up shots outside of practice, spending your extra time studying in the BDC and/or just hanging out in the BDC on your free time chatting and talking about basketball.
I've worked for bosses like that and it can be a bear. In science, we have the "lab rat". The person that spends all their waking time in the lab....regardless of what they are doing. Unfortunately, I was not one of those people....LOL. I knew people who got in the lab before the boss and stayed until after the boss left.....15-18 hours a day. I would come in for 8 hours, get the same amount of work done as the person who was there dicking about for 15-18 hours, yet they would get all the praise. I don't need to be sitting in the lab to read a scientific paper or plan my experiments, write a grant or chit-chat with others, wasting their time. I can do that at home :) But that won't get praise from the boss.
Granted, basketball is much more of a physical activity and requires hand on experience to get better (although science does requires doing experiments). But I think MR also give points for someone who has the basketball "passion" and who enjoys just being present in the BDC as well as putting in extra work.
 

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With MR, I don't think it is just about giving it your all during practices and games. He has specifically stated he loves "gym rats". I'm sure he has eyes on all his players and knows who is spending their free time in the BDC, regardless of what they are doing. Then you get more points for watching tape, spending time in the weight room, putting up shots outside of practice, spending your extra time studying in the BDC and/or just hanging out in the BDC on your free time chatting and talking about basketball.
I've worked for bosses like that and it can be a bear. In science, we have the "lab rat". The person that spends all their waking time in the lab....regardless of what they are doing. Unfortunately, I was not one of those people....LOL. I knew people who got in the lab before the boss and stayed until after the boss left.....15-18 hours a day. I would come in for 8 hours, get the same amount of work done as the person who was there dicking about for 15-18 hours, yet they would get all the praise. I don't need to be sitting in the lab to read a scientific paper or plan my experiments, write a grant or chit-chat with others, wasting their time. I can do that at home :) But that won't get praise from the boss.
Granted, basketball is much more of a physical activity and requires hand on experience to get better (although science does requires doing experiments). But I think MR also give points for someone who has the basketball "passion" and who enjoys just being present in the BDC as well as putting in extra work.
I would say you were fortunate not to be one of those people. There's more to life.
 

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I think in most cases (at least with me) it has to be very obvious. And I think we should acknowledge that there are situations when players (some more than others) don't give max effort. I don't think it requires being a prime athlete yourself and sitting next to the guy on the bench to notice.

The bigger issue may be there's a reason for it we may not be aware of (injury, something going on personally, etc.).
I remember hearing someone say you don't have to be a chef to tell that a meal tastes terrible.
 

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I would say you were fortunate not to be one of those people. There's more to life.
Could be true but I do envy people who have a true passion for what they do as a job. Think about it....for them, their job is almost like a hobby...something they actually love doing. Imagine getting paid to do your most fun hobby....whatever that may be. It would be fantastic! You get to wake up every day, eager to get started doing the thing you really enjoy doing.
Now of course, my hobbies never have entailed having a boss breathing down my neck or telling me I have to redo something or getting assigned to a committee that is going to waste hours of time getting very little done on something I don't care about or having someone else decide that changes are needed (aka, fixing something that isn't broke) just because they want to make their mark and requiring me to do twice the amount of work needed just to complete a task.
I think I retired at just the right time before I blew a gasket....LOL
 

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Could be true but I do envy people who have a true passion for what they do as a job. Think about it....for them, their job is almost like a hobby...something they actually love doing. Imagine getting paid to do your most fun hobby....whatever that may be. It would be fantastic! You get to wake up every day, eager to get started doing the thing you really enjoy doing.
Just look at Bones... does that guy ever not have a smile on his face? Even while he was here at VCU before it was ever thought of him being a 1st round draft pick.... dude is full of energy & passion & leaves it all out there on the court every day.

I'd give almost anything to have half the talent he has and be able to play a sport that I love as my job.... in a heart beat.

And you better believe if I was a Ball player I'd be in the gym a lot. Now that's not to say, I wouldn't go out with friends & what not like I did in college & do now as an adult.... but I'd def be in the gym perfecting my craft all the time.
 

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With MR, I don't think it is just about giving it your all during practices and games. He has specifically stated he loves "gym rats". I'm sure he has eyes on all his players and knows who is spending their free time in the BDC, regardless of what they are doing. Then you get more points for watching tape, spending time in the weight room, putting up shots outside of practice, spending your extra time studying in the BDC and/or just hanging out in the BDC on your free time chatting and talking about basketball.
I've worked for bosses like that and it can be a bear. In science, we have the "lab rat". The person that spends all their waking time in the lab....regardless of what they are doing. Unfortunately, I was not one of those people....LOL. I knew people who got in the lab before the boss and stayed until after the boss left.....15-18 hours a day. I would come in for 8 hours, get the same amount of work done as the person who was there dicking about for 15-18 hours, yet they would get all the praise. I don't need to be sitting in the lab to read a scientific paper or plan my experiments, write a grant or chit-chat with others, wasting their time. I can do that at home :) But that won't get praise from the boss.
Granted, basketball is much more of a physical activity and requires hand on experience to get better (although science does requires doing experiments). But I think MR also give points for someone who has the basketball "passion" and who enjoys just being present in the BDC as well as putting in extra work.
Not sure they are still doing this, but for a period of time, whenever they were in the BDC, they were wired and their activity level bios were monitored, recorded and assessed.
 

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A BradRamFan noted some people eat live and breath what they do. Others have different passions. However, I am not sure we match passion based on time on the clock/BDC.

Yes ball is about getting it in. However, you can watch film, run, eat well outside the gym and still that adds to your performance. Also, there is a lot to be said about just relaxing and taking a mental health break to recharge.

Times and expectations change. Does anyone remember when we used to applaud the employee who never took a sick day? Yeah that guy or gal who came in sick worked no matter what and yes exposed us all to their illnesses thereby hurting productivity.

Guy's need to get in work but living in the gym isnt the answer for all. Again, BradRamFan stated he could get as much done as his lab rat colleagues just in another healthier way (for him) than their method .
 

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How many coaches are fit enough to run suicides competitively with their players?
This is a valid point to a degree, but coaches do make a living as coaches, so a little different as they are significantly better informed about the game and physical requirements than fat a$$ fans screaming at a television. Also coaches have access to the player tracking data, so they know who is working in their target range and who may not be.

Again the larger point is that evaluating effort is never off the table, but it tends to be the first choice of the lazy and ill-informed…..as if they have any sense for the effort required.
 

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I remember hearing someone say you don't have to be a chef to tell that a meal tastes terrible.
Doesn’t mean the chef wasn’t trying his a$$ off and dealing with sub optimal conditions. The meal being terrible is an outcome, it is not a measure of effort.
 
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Just look at Bones... does that guy ever not have a smile on his face? Even while he was here at VCU before it was ever thought of him being a 1st round draft pick.... dude is full of energy & passion & leaves it all out there on the court every day.

I'd give almost anything to have half the talent he has and be able to play a sport that I love as my job.... in a heart beat.

And you better believe if I was a Ball player I'd be in the gym a lot. Now that's not to say, I wouldn't go out with friends & what not like I did in college & do now as an adult.... but I'd def be in the gym perfecting my craft all the time.
Man wouldn't that be the life. Ive gotten into a sad spot where working on my game at the gym is so infrequent because I have to dedicate so much of my time to providing for my family. Unfortunately for me, I can no longer say "Ball is Life"
 

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Not sure they are still doing this, but for a period of time, whenever they were in the BDC, they were wired and their activity level bios were monitored, recorded and assessed.
I believe they wear trackers during the game…..not 100% on whether VCU does, but most legit programs do and I think we are legit. I also believe the soccer team does as well.
 
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