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duncanlamb
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We wasted Michael Gilmore's talent.
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No, we cultivated it so much as we could. At least the second time around - Frank wasted it. Either way, sometimes it takes a long while for guys to starting putting things together, and we helped Mike on that path.
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He's one of those talented bigs which all coaching staff had mismanaged.
A faceup stretch four who was plugged into back to the basket role.
Just another in the long line of bigs whom we had no idea what to do with:
DJ Haley, Tre Simmons, Justin Tuoyo, Michael Gilmore, Hason Ward, Mikeal Brown Jones..Jalen Deloach.
You can say that but Mike didn't exactly blow it up when he was playing at FGCU. He played for three different head coaches and the end product was mostly the same. I really hate this comment because I don't want to dog Mike but I do not believe his success was capped by anything our coaching staff did.
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They all pretty much did the same thing...plug him in the post where they tried to make him a traditional back to the basket guy.
Mike never new what do with himself in there. He was always at his best on the wing facing up or in transition. He was never a post defender..he was at his best providing weak help side defense.
Deloach is similar, he is NOT a back to the basket guy. He spent the entire summer learning rudimentary post up moves.. he is a face up iso guy or in transition.
Mike's success has more to do with the level of competition than being "mismanaged" by every coach he's had between college and the G-League.
I do agree that Deloach is not a back to the basket guy but I have yet to see any evidence that he can hit anything past an elbow jumper in the collegiate level.
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Gilmore was not mismanaged. This is his 8th year post high school and the first year where he is really showing major game....so he has had (not including HS) 8 years to work on his game. Anyone thinking he was this good and we wasted his talents while at VCU or even FGCU is loony.
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You keep preaching this but I hate you say it, but you are wrong here.
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This…..and it’s also the Swedish league. All due respect to anyone collecting a check to play a sport, but he’s faced much tougher competition.
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No one back to the basket move...Iso on the perimeter., 3 pt sbots and drives in transition
Swedish League or not, we have had guys who were very, very good who couldn't get a job in that league. As you state, those guys are getting a check.
Mike did okay last year in the G-League.
I think both the Gilmore's talent was wasted and the no it wasnt folks are both wrong. I think it lies somewhere in the middle. Shaka did once state that of the 4 really good recruits Gilmore, Larrier, Tilman, and Johnny that Gilmore was either the most talented or had the best chance at an NBA career.
I do think Mike Rhodes could have utilized Mike G better the 2nd time around. I also think Frank knew what Gilmore could or should have been doing as Frank had him on the wing.
Gilmore looked to me like a guy who just couldn't get his feet under him. People point to Mike's year at FGCU but I think he did well given it was a guard dominant offense. Mike shot over 54% from 2 and about 35% from 3. he averaged 6.6 points and 5.6 rebounds in about 18 minutes. We have to remember that Mike because he was better on the wing was foul prone he averaged 3.3 per game in just 18 minutes. Also, his career 2 point fg % and his 3 point fg % at VCU was very high at 61% and 34% respectively
To put Mikes FGCU year in perspective VCU Legend Jamie Skeen's Jr year he shot just 22% from 3 and 57% from 2 averaging just 8.1 points and 4.5 rebounds. The next year with consistent coaching and better grasp of what he was going to do and without Larry's long shadow Skeen blew up 55% 2 point and 41% from 3 averaging 7.3 points and 15.1 rebounds. It was night and day and typical for guys joining solid teams. Had Mike's HC not left and he stayed Mike would likely have been better. He came back to VCU and the system had players had changed.
So in a long winded way, yes Mike did have talent. Maybe Mike should have used him better and more. But yes, Mike has gotten better and yes Mike always had potential. I wont say Mike didnt work because Evans stated that Mike worked harder than anyone he had every played with. This is the reason Mike hasn't had trouble earning a check and other guys who had better careers have.
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DeLoach hasn't shown 3 point shooting ability on the perimeter in the 2 years he has been here even while screening and even having the ball at times out beyond the 3 point line. I think his growth (height) has affected his dribbling ability and I agree, he is not a back to the basket player....at this time. Right now I see him as an under the basket guy. But he has shown some good ability in passing the ball and distributing for assists.
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🤷♂️ I thought he was pretty good tbh
But I also really liked Guest and Burgess so haha guess I just like rooting for underdogs
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