Opening Game - VCU vs. Norfolk State

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Let's not ignore the fact, that outside of Bria Gibson and Jailyn Maddox (but we could easily include her) none of these girls had any real game experience. Yeah they played exhibition games in Africa and even two scrimmages, but nothing can actually prepare you for your first college basketball game and at home at that. So not only were they playing in their first official game, they are also still learning to play together as a unit. And there were a lot of bright spots throughout the game, now its a matter of taking those bright spots and turning them from possessions to quarters, quarters to halves and from halves to the whole game. I believe that this past year, despite losing out on Chloe, we had a strong recruiting class and once we are at full strength (roster wise), we will see a completely different team than we saw against Norfolk St. Give this team a chance before you start condemning both them and the coaching staff. Every program has their issues, its more about how you handle those issues. Its a long season, lets give this YOUNG VCU team a chance to mature and adjust before we start writing them off.
 

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What does the new practice facility have to do with 3 players having injuries? What does the practice facility have to do with not getting a lot of solid recruits? What does the practice facility have to do with players getting recruited over or transferring because they don't get along with the coach?

Did you see my post in the other thread about what Jeezy did (playing for Hampton) at UNC on Friday? She played for us for 2 years (realistically only 1)..... you know why she left? The current coach didn't want her. Yeah, you read that right..... the coach didn't want her. Look at how well she played her Freshmen year here at VCU under Coach Stollings.... and then what happened her 2nd year at VCU before transferring in O'Boyle's first year? She got little to no playing time all year.

Then look at what happened during the offseason.... not only did we have 6 people graduate, Not only did Camille Calhoun's college career come to an end due to injuries.... not only did we lose one of our recruits (who decided to go play rugby in Australia instead).... we lost one transfer Jeune due to some admissions issues, And we lost 2 other players Katherine Strong & Meemo.

And I asked Meemo what happened during the offseason... why she was transferring.... Here was her response... "I'm Just unhappy as a player and person"... and take it from me, as I'm very close with a lot of the players from previous seasons... and there's a lot of players that did not like Coach O'Boyle.

But when you are losing essentially 7 players.... how do you let 2 key players like Meemo & Strong transfer? And right now we've got essentially 8 players that are suiting up ready to play cause 3 players are out with injuries, and 1 is sitting out due to transfer rules.

The BDC is not why we lost yesterday. Period.

Slow down Rowdy. Obviously no one is saying we lost because of the BDC. That would be a ludicrous statement at best. We all know what the real problem is. That said, it is accurate in my mine to acknowledge that the current regime has not made particularly good use of the BDC as a recruiting tool.
 

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Slow down Rowdy. Obviously no one is saying we lost because of the BDC. That would be a ludicrous statement at best. We all know what the real problem is. That said, it is accurate in my mine to acknowledge that the current regime has not made particularly good use of the BDC as a recruiting tool.

read the last response I had to VaHills.....

It doesn't help because WBB isn't as successful as the MBB program. Lets be realistic.... for the good basketball player (and not ones that can be swayed by money offers & such).... there's 3-4 main factors in my opinion that go into their decision as to where to play... they are (in no particular order)

1. Program success.... I'll give you a scenario... you tell me which school you'd pick

School A- a program that is winning, makes the NCAA Tourney (or at the very worst... makes a deep run in the WNIT) continuously

School B- a program that finishes no higher than 5th in the conference... often middle of the pack, rarely makes the NCAA tourney, gets bounced in the first round of the WNIT when they get in

Who you going to pick? The majority of people would pick School A over School B.

2. Playing Time / Style of play.... obviously playing time & style of play is a factor.

3. Close to home.... This is more so for the less rated recruits... however, for even some of the players who are highly recruited, if a school close to home is good, they'll play for them.

4. Chemistry between coaches & players during a visit. If a recruit can gel with some of the players & coaches during a visit that helps their cause as well.

As far as the practice facility.... that'd be the dessert or "icing on the cake" to put the school over top another instead of the main course or reason for a recruit to pick a school.

If you line up 2 schools that are similar in winning tradition, making the tourney year in and year out, constantly in the running for conference titles, and willing play you as a freshmen a lot.... then the BDC might be a reason you choose a school over another.

For MBB... I'd be willing to bet, if you take out the last 10 years (dating back to the Dagger season).... and replace those 10 years with similar seasons that our WBB team has had the last 10 seasons..... you would see a DRASTIC difference in recruiting for MBB (and not for the better). 1 NCAA appearance, 0 Conference titles (regular season or tourney titles) and several 1st round exits in the WNIT is not going to draw recruits in here, even if you have a good Practice facility.
 
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That said, it is accurate in my mine to acknowledge that the current regime has not made particularly good use of the BDC as a recruiting tool.

I don't agreement with that statement, this past year VCU was able to sign 5 players and two of them local (Sydnei Archie and Taya Robinson), both held Scholarship offers from teams in the SEC and ACC. Both players stated that the new practice facility definitely played a part in their decision along with VCU's medical capabilities
 

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I don't agreement with that statement, this past year VCU was able to sign 5 players and two of them local (Sydnei Archie and Taya Robinson), both held Scholarship offers from teams in the SEC and ACC. Both players stated that the new practice facility definitely played a part in their decision along with VCU's medical capabilities

It's immaterial to me as to whether or not you agree with my statement. Looking at the total picture, in terms of recruiting, since the current regime has been here I stand by my statement. Sydnei and Taya are going to be nice players for the Rams. They were local, which I like, and had great familiarity with VCU. Again, take a look at the big picture and form your own opinion.

I've already stated the BDC has little to do with the state of the program. Could it be used better? Yes. But that's a small part of the problem in my opinion.
 

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read the last response I had to VaHills.....

I read the response and largely agree with it. That said, you were making it sound like a few of us were blaming the BDC. We all know the thrust of the problem and it has little to do with the BDC. I'm going to leave it at that.
 

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I've already stated the BDC has little to do with the state of the program. Could it be used better? Yes. But that's a small part of the problem in my opinion.

What do you mean it could be used better? Just out of curiosity? Cause I fail to see what you are getting at about the BDC not being used well enough as a recruiting tool..... please explain
 

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What do you mean it could be used better? Just out of curiosity? Cause I fail to see what you are getting at about the BDC not being used well enough as a recruiting tool..... please explain

From my perspective the "right" coach could utilize that amazing facility to recruit overall at a higher level than we have and retain players better. We have recruited some nice players but overall need to recruit at a higher level and very importantly retain them.

Obviously there are a lot of variables that go into the equation for a successful program. The BDC is just one, but yes I do believe it could be used better. There are successful programs that would kill to have the SC and the BDC.

Hope this helps. This is the last I will say with respect to this topic. Moving on!
 

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From my perspective the "right" coach could utilize that amazing facility to recruit overall at a higher level than we have and retain players better. We have recruited some nice players but overall need to recruit at a higher level and very importantly retain them.

Obviously there are a lot of variables that go into the equation for a successful program. The BDC is just one, but yes I do believe it could be used better. There are successful programs that would kill to have the SC and the BDC.

Hope this helps. This is the last I will say with respect to this topic. Moving on!

Still don't understand.... didn't really clear anything up. but ok.
 
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