Supreme Court Decision on College Athlete compensation

Ramdog

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I would rather see a system of giving everybody across the board compensation(more than the current stipend )

All Division 1 teams /all D1 players get paid the same ...whatever that amount may be. It’s a team game. The current system will leave a lot of players out of the money. (Talk about getting screwed..so to speak)

Keep an even playing field and limit the gap between programs.

The players know the deal and can decide if that is a fair amount and chose to go play Pro if the get a better offer.
 
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It is a fair question, and from the rev sports athlete's perspective, I suppose the answer is there is no problem. All for me and none for you is rarely a problem for me.

But the idea (some might say fiction) of college athletics is that the school sponsors various sports and offers athletic scholarships to high school students because sports is a valuable part of a well-rounded student experience. Giving a swimmer or a javelin thrower a scholarship allows them to compete in their sport and get an education.

If we throw up our hands and simply shutter (or dramatically downsize) the Olympic sports or golf because the AD no longer has the money to support them, we turn the AD into a life support system for football and, secondarily, basketball. At that point, it seems realistic to ask the question what benefit the university sees for running a minor league for the NFL and NBA.

My point here is not that the players shouldn't get some financial benefit from the value they add to the university. It certainly has been unfair that they haven't been able to do part time work, like all other college students do to support themselves.

But it seems to me there is a rather dramatic leap from finding a way to fix this problem to creating a booster-administered slush fund for players for which schools have accountability but over which they have no authority.
In-state cost to attend VCU for one-year (including room and board) is $32,722. I'm not sure how much student fees go to athletics, but the total cost of fees are about $2,500. Given the cost involved, I'm ready for d1 athletics to get rid of just about all non-revenue sports (while abiding by title 9 rules, of course). To me, it's inexcusable to ask the average young person to take out even more college loans to subsidize college athletics with thousands of dollars of fees when hardly anyone cares about golf, tennis, olympic sports, etc. Get rid of those sports and you can shrink the athletic department too. The profit then made by football and basketball could at least partially go back into the university.

In short, stop subsidizing sports that nobody cares about and start putting at the forefront those students who are having to go 100k into debt to get a bachelor's degree.
 

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I would rather see a system of giving everybody across the board compensation(more than the current stipend )

All Division 1 teams /all D1 players get paid the same ...whatever that amount may be. It’s a team game. The current system will leave a lot of players out of the money. (Talk about getting screwed..so to speak)

Keep an even playing field and limit the gap between programs.

The players know the deal and can decide if that is a fair amount and chose to go play Pro if the get a better offer.
That is socialism. People don't like that.
 
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In-state cost to attend VCU for one-year (including room and board) is $32,722. I'm not sure how much student fees go to athletics, but the total cost of fees are about $2,500. Given the cost involved, I'm ready for d1 athletics to get rid of just about all non-revenue sports (while abiding by title 9 rules, of course). To me, it's inexcusable to ask the average young person to take out even more college loans to subsidize college athletics with thousands of dollars of fees when hardly anyone cares about golf, tennis, olympic sports, etc. Get rid of those sports and you can shrink the athletic department too. The profit then made by football and basketball could at least partially go back into the university.

In short, stop subsidizing sports that nobody cares about and start putting at the forefront those students who are having to go 100k into debt to get a bachelor's degree.
Isn’t there a minimum number of sports requirement to be D1?
 
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In-state cost to attend VCU for one-year (including room and board) is $32,722. I'm not sure how much student fees go to athletics, but the total cost of fees are about $2,500. Given the cost involved, I'm ready for d1 athletics to get rid of just about all non-revenue sports (while abiding by title 9 rules, of course). To me, it's inexcusable to ask the average young person to take out even more college loans to subsidize college athletics with thousands of dollars of fees when hardly anyone cares about golf, tennis, olympic sports, etc. Get rid of those sports and you can shrink the athletic department too. The profit then made by football and basketball could at least partially go back into the university.

In short, stop subsidizing sports that nobody cares about and start putting at the forefront those students who are having to go 100k into debt to get a bachelor's degree.
Over $22 million in student fee support for the fiscal year ending 6/30/2020 to help support VCU Athletics .
for the same period at JMU it is over $45 million.
NCAA sets minimum # of sports to compete as D1( remember NCAA are the colleges and universities themselves )
Conferences set the minimum # of sports that members must have
Change is possible but will College and university presidents ever act (rhetorical question because answer is NO)
I have been a proponent for 25 years of allowing schools to play 1 or 20 sports, as long as they comply with Title IX - without that Schools will be subsidizing athletics for decades to come
(as way of example at JMU athletic revenues of $58 million requires a subsidy of 78.3% of support from student fees, at VCU the ratio of student fee subsidy is just under 63%) and those ratios of student fee support is likely to grow
 
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The school benefits from the name recognition that comes from athletics. Which means student and alumni benefit. It’s a small portion of their tuition.

Making money off of your name/likeness is a separate issue entirely.
 
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The school benefits from the name recognition that comes from athletics. Which means student and alumni benefit. It’s a small portion of their tuition.
Tell that to Carnegie-Mellon, Harvard, Yale, NYU, Princeton, Chicago (not all alumni and students care about football and basketball)
Ok, I do agree that colleges and universities benefit from athletics primarily as something that keeps alumni connected to give and return to campus and modestly provide name recognition to attract students if your college and university is a top team in the two major sports (and I only give to my alma maters (2) to support their athletics , basketball programs)
At VCU we have 25+K students and probably only 3-5K even attend a sporting event - the major winners simply are the 150-200 scholarship athletes and the coaches and athletic dept administrators (not a complaint)
 

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Tell that to Carnegie-Mellon, Harvard, Yale, NYU, Princeton, Chicago (not all alumni and students care about football and basketball)
Ok, I do agree that colleges and universities benefit from athletics primarily as something that keeps alumni connected to give and return to campus and modestly provide name recognition to attract students if your college and university is a top team in the two major sports (and I only give to my alma maters (2) to support their athletics , basketball programs)
At VCU we have 25+K students and probably only 3-5K even attend a sporting event - the major winners simply are the 150-200 scholarship athletes and the coaches and athletic dept administrators (not a complaint)
We can't fill the 1500 student section most games
 

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Tell that to Carnegie-Mellon, Harvard, Yale, NYU, Princeton, Chicago (not all alumni and students care about football and basketball)
Ok, I do agree that colleges and universities benefit from athletics primarily as something that keeps alumni connected to give and return to campus and modestly provide name recognition to attract students if your college and university is a top team in the two major sports (and I only give to my alma maters (2) to support their athletics , basketball programs)
At VCU we have 25+K students and probably only 3-5K even attend a sporting event - the major winners simply are the 150-200 scholarship athletes and the coaches and athletic dept administrators (not a complaint
Tell that to Carnegie-Mellon, Harvard, Yale, NYU, Princeton, Chicago (not all alumni and students care about football and basketball)
Ok, I do agree that colleges and universities benefit from athletics primarily as something that keeps alumni connected to give and return to campus and modestly provide name recognition to attract students if your college and university is a top team in the two major sports (and I only give to my alma maters (2) to support their athletics , basketball programs)
At VCU we have 25+K students and probably only 3-5K even attend a sporting event - the major winners simply are the 150-200 scholarship athletes and the coaches and athletic dept administrators (not a complaint)
The winners should be the athletes.