The Official Beat the Kennesaw State Owls at the Stu Thread

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What pre-season hype did this squad receive? We were projected to finish 3rd in our conference in what the bracketologist predicted to be a two bid league.
Mike said he thought this could be his deepest team ever during a coach's show at Rusty Taco. And it still could! But a lot of people seem to have taken that to mean we could shrug off graduating an all-conference player last Spring and another temporarily to a broken hand.

Perhaps also of note, deepest is not a synonym for best.
 

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Again, agree to disagree.

I was at the game when he got hurt against Rhody up in D.C. and I was sitting behind the VCU bench in Columbia, SC for that UCF game. It was clear to everyone that he wasn't close to 100% for the NCAA Tournament game. So, yes, putting him at 75% is speculation on my part, but that 75% could even be too high. Come on, man, you are losing me if you can't admit the Evans injury had a major impact on all that VCU team did on both ends of the floor. It's just foolishness to suggest Evans injury was not the main reason we played poorly.

If the truth be known, Evans probably should have not played against UCF. He was no way ready to play from an injury standpoint, and it showed in that game. No way he was even close to 75% in that game.
 

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Again, agree to disagree.

I was at the game when he got hurt against Rhody up in D.C. and I was sitting behind the VCU bench in Columbia, SC for that UCF game. It was clear to everyone that he wasn't close to 100% for the NCAA Tournament game. So, yes, putting him at 75% is speculation on my part, but that 75% could even be too high. Come on, man, you are losing me if you can't admit the Evans injury had a major impact on all that VCU team did on both ends of the floor. It's just foolishness to suggest Evans injury was not the main reason we played poorly.
Ok, so here's my question to you in response. He got hurt literally a week before in DC against Rhody, missed the entire 2nd half. Now MR didn't have a lot of time to adjust & prepare for the 2nd half vs Rhody.... HOWEVER, he had a whole week to prepare the next guy in case Evans couldn't go, or was limited against UCF.

Also it begs the question, is a 75% (being generous honestly) Evans better than 100% of someone running the PG spot? Especially with a weeks worth of practice to prepare for it?

Also is the safety of the player not important? I get we all wanna win games... but what if Evans had gotten hurt AGAIN vs UCF. The next question people woulda been asking is.... "Why the F*** is he playing in the first place after the injury last week?" I'm sure that woulda gone over well. Heck, some people were probably asking that question anyway.

The dude had injuries galore in his college career... at what point to do we sacrifice a game to protect our players long term health?
 

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Evans played the UCF game tho? Played 26 minutes that game. Was he 100% not likely, but he played a decent amount of the game. The game we lost "without Evans" really was Rhode Island in the A10 Tournament. And we were leading at halftime despite losing Evans late in the first half.

Also, the fact we lost the Rhody game (which was on a Friday) and the UCF game wasn't until the next Friday... Mike & his staff had plenty of time to get the next guy ready (albeit not in game action).... incase Evans couldn't go, or couldn't play much.

Also this is not the first time MR has been without Ace.... remember last year? Where we didn't get him until Dec against Jacksonville State.... and we went 4-4 with out Ace, now granted we did lose to Wagner pretty bad, and lost to Chattanooga on a late game shot.... but we also beat Vandy on the road, Beat Syracuse on a neutral court & hung tough with #6 Baylor & #22 UConn (both games you could argue we could've/should've won anyway) without Ace. And the PG who stepped up to fill in for him... Jayden Nunn (who was a freshman last year) is still on the roster this year.

So while not having your starting PG on can certainly affect a team...... You have 12-13-14 other guys on the roster that gotta be ready to step up at a moments notice. Not saying all 12-14 guys gotta be able to play PG... but when one guy goes down... someone's gotta step up. Whether it's from a production stand point, or a leadership stand point.
You almost owed me a computer screen. :lol: I laughed so hard at what you typed in the first two paragraphs that I almost spit my water onto my computer. Now, are you actually serious with those first two paragraphs? The staff had a week to get a player ready to replace an all-A10 player getting set to play a top 40 team in an NCAA Tournament game. :lol: In the words of the hilarious Charles Barkley, "Come on, man!"

As far as your last two sentences, yes you want players to step up. There is a reason some guys start and others don't. When Watkins went out after 6 minutes against Kennesaw State, we had plenty of guys to replace him on the defensive end, but virtually no one on the roster is as multi-faceted a scoring weapon as he is. So, there's a natural drop-off when you lose a top player. It's that way in most sports.

In the game against UCF, anyone we had to replace Evans was a step down offensively and defensively, and as it relates to intangible things like leadership. That's why there are very few replacements who are as good as the starters in almost every sport. And again, we're talking about 18-22 year old kids, not professionals.
 

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Ok, so here's my question to you in response. He got hurt literally a week before in DC against Rhody, missed the entire 2nd half. Now MR didn't have a lot of time to adjust & prepare for the 2nd half vs Rhody.... HOWEVER, he had a whole week to prepare the next guy in case Evans couldn't go, or was limited against UCF.

Also it begs the question, is a 75% (being generous honestly) Evans better than 100% of someone running the PG spot? Especially with a weeks worth of practice to prepare for it?

Also is the safety of the player not important? I get we all wanna win games... but what if Evans had gotten hurt AGAIN vs UCF. The next question people woulda been asking is.... "Why the F*** is he playing in the first place after the injury last week?" I'm sure that woulda gone over well. Heck, some people were probably asking that question anyway.

The dude had injuries galore in his college career... at what point to do we sacrifice a game to protect our players long term health?
My previous post to you, just above, was meant in fun, so please take it that way.

That being said, I can't answer some of your questions. Should Evans have played in the UCF game? Is 75% of Evans better than 100% of his replacement? I don't know the answers to those questions.

As far as the safety of the player, I can only guess that the doctors told he, his family and the coaches that his chance of making the injury worse was either minimal or non-existent, at least from a structural perspective. That's just a guess on my part. I can't imagine Rhoades would risk a player's health for a game. Look at how careful he's been with all of the injuries to Ace, Watkins, and others. He doesn't seem like a coach who pushes players back onto the court before they're ready and the doctors clear it.
 

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You almost owed me a computer screen. :lol: I laughed so hard at what you typed in the first two paragraphs that I almost spit my water onto my computer. Now, are you actually serious with those first two paragraphs? The staff had a week to get a player ready to replace an all-A10 player getting set to play a top 40 team in an NCAA Tournament game. :lol: In the words of the hilarious Charles Barkley, "Come on, man!"

As far as your last two sentences, yes you want players to step up. There is a reason some guys start and others don't. When Watkins went out after 6 minutes against Kennesaw State, we had plenty of guys to replace him on the defensive end, but virtually no one on the roster is as multi-faceted a scoring weapon as he is. So, there's a natural drop-off when you lose a top player. It's that way in most sports.

In the game against UCF, anyone we had to replace Evans was a step down offensively and defensively, and as it relates to intangible things like leadership. That's why there are very few replacements who are as good as the starters in almost every sport. And again, we're talking about 18-22 year old kids, not professionals.
It works the same way in the pros. If you have a bench player as good or better than your starters, you either have a coaching/management problem or someone who's about to be traded.
 

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My bad. I forgot for a moment that he went down in the first UR game. So, we were 4-5 in the next 9 games. Please forgive the error.
The heartbreaking thing about the injury was that it was a freak play in a game we were already going to lose. I got up and left when he went down because I couldn’t stand to be there and see that. It was clear almost immediately that it was a serious injury.
 

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My previous post to you, just above, was meant in fun, so please take it that way.

That being said, I can't answer some of your questions. Should Evans have played in the UCF game? Is 75% of Evans better than 100% of his replacement? I don't know the answers to those questions.

As far as the safety of the player, I can only guess that the doctors told he, his family and the coaches that his chance of making the injury worse was either minimal or non-existent, at least from a structural perspective. That's just a guess on my part. I can't imagine Rhoades would risk a player's health for a game. Look at how careful he's been with all of the injuries to Ace, Watkins, and others. He doesn't seem like a coach who pushes players back onto the court before they're ready and the doctors clear it.

Well aware it was a joke. However I was kinda being serious… and here’s why.

Evans had an injury history dating back to Rice am I correct? If so, Mike Rhodes should’ve already been used to having to groom your back up to be ready to step in at any moment in the event it happens again.

So fast forward to VCU, you have the whole season and for the most part Evans was healthy all year…. But what happens, freak injury happens and it’s next man up time.

Knowing Evans injury history better than just about anyone else, Mike should’ve always had a plan and had someone ready to lead the team and or fill in for Evans in the event he went down….. which he did.

And sure you can say Crowfield, Jenkins, Byrd, Simms, or whoever else we had that coulda ran the PG might’ve been a “step down” as you call it from Evans…. But maybe the team woulda responded/played better had they been ready incase the situation arose which it did.

Now you look at the Baldwin situation… he misses the first 8 games in OOC last year. Now the difference is that the team had all offseason to prepare and get Nunn ready to fill the void as a freshman until Ace returned. And despite the 2 bad losses to Wagner & Chatt… you could argue Nunn did a heck of a job stepping up to replace Ace those games.

Meanwhile we also had all offseason to get people ready to fill in for Jamir & Jarrens absences last year.

Now fast forward to this year, Ace is hurt again, Jarren is out for the season. Mike should have made sure the team as a whole, not just Nunn, was ready incase another injury arises…. And then during the Kennesaw State game something happened with Jamir…. No idea to what extent tho.

My point is…. As a coach you have to have all your players ready at all times for whatever the situation calls for. Injuries, suspensions, absences or otherwise can happen at anytime.

If I’m a coach at any level… I’m not just coaching my stars to lead the team and play at a high level…. I’m coaching every single player that way. So if one player goes down… someone else can step up and fill their void with the team missing as few of beats as possible. I don’t care if you’re the MVP, or the Walk on.

I’m not gonna waste a players scholarship by not preparing him for the moment in case his number is called for in the midst of adversity to have him go out there and not be ready… and then have all these internet warriors bashing him as a player for the lights being too bright for him or bashing me as a coach for not having the guy ready in case his number was called.
 

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Tre was already playing hurt.

In the three game losing streak our guys put up 63 (in double OT) 55 (at home) and 55 points. Yes, Bri was integral to our defense, but saying we didn't miss him on offense is just not accurate.
His defense created offense...he caused more live ball turnovers than anybody that ever played for VCU
 

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My point is…. As a coach you have to have all your players ready at all times for whatever the situation calls for. Injuries, suspensions, absences or otherwise can happen at anytime.

If I’m a coach at any level… I’m not just coaching my stars to lead the team and play at a high level…. I’m coaching every single player that way. So if one player goes down… someone else can step up and fill their void with the team missing as few of beats as possible. I don’t care if you’re the MVP, or the Walk on.

I’m not gonna waste a players scholarship by not preparing him for the moment in case his number is called for in the midst of adversity to have him go out there and not be ready… and then have all these internet warriors bashing him as a player for the lights being too bright for him or bashing me as a coach for not having the guy ready in case his number was called.
And I know our staff, and most every staff in college basketball, works on making sure every player is ready when they are needed. Look at how well Josh Banks has played this season, as his role increased due to Ace's injury. However, this gets back to what I always type on this here fine fan forum: coaches coach, players play. You can coach a player up and have him ready, and he can look great in practice, but that doesn't mean he'll perform up to expectations once the game lights come on. It's also one reason why every coach I've ever seen preaches to kids not to try to do too much; just do your job.

Example: I know our staff has been coaching up Fats since he stepped on campus, but he's not ready to contribute at the level that Watkins does. That's not a criticism of Fats or our staff. It's just the fact of life for most freshmen in college basketball.
 
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What pre-season hype did this squad receive? We were projected to finish 3rd in our conference in what the bracketologist predicted to be a two bid league.

Uhh all we heard on RN all off season was that this team would have zero trouble scoring. Players were already getting drafted on here. Rhoades called it his deepest team. There were some that were very skeptical however when it came to certain transfers and recruiting. Nevermind the constant talk about Deloach set to dominate after his work this offseason.
 

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how can anyone blame Mike for being 0-1 in two NCAA tournament appearances? We aren't lacking an NCAA Tournament win because of his coaching tactics or style.
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RamNation message board hype. It was pretty much off the chart prior to the season starting, including which players would be leaving early for the NBA.
Nunn had a few NBA draft writers mention him as a potential 2023 second rounder. Is it a crime to share what a college basketball writer says about a VCU player? I don’t recall a single poster on here saying Nunn or any other player would leave every for the NBA.
 
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