The Official Beat the Vanderbilt Commodores at the Stu Thread

VCU85

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I said this last week but I think it bears repeating with all the shade recently tossed at Rhoades. When our two most talented players are healthy enough to start and contribute we perform better. Having Balwin and Watkins on the floor makes us a better team and the results are obvious if you take the time to look at the data. It's not rocket science and I can't think of any other team, at any level, where the same wouldn't hold true.
Shade ? I criticized some of his coaching, but shade is not what I’d call that. No he deserves some criticism like any coach does when things aren’t moving in a consistent direction.
 
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Do the Golden State Warriors complain about having to rely on Curry draining threes in order to win? Were fans complaining they needed Labron to average 30+ when they were winning championships? How about Michael Jordan's teams? Every great team needs their best players to play and produce or they aren't the same. This conversation is incredible. I'm through arguing with irrational clowns over the subject matter. Sheesh.

I’m glad you are done because it sounds ridiculous trying to justify one player forced to carry a team on his back that was hyped up non stop even by the coach. GSW has multiple players that contribute. If you think it’s all Curry you must not watch. Jordan had Pippen and others. Lebron has had Wade, Bosh, Davis, Kyrie, Kevin Love among other all stars. Who does Ace consistently have? Exactly.
 

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Stackhouse also didn't get to lose his escort after the game, as the VCUPD shadowed him until he left...
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Deloach is playing awful.
I am gonna keep saying it.

Deloach originally came face up stretch four; we are trying to change him into a traditional post up big and he clearly isn't comfortable making back to the basket post moves. It isn't his game.

Tillman and Deloach are roughly the same size and body type. They had completely different games coming out if prep school and aau.

Tillman highlights at :30 mark showcase his ability to post up twice. He presents a wide target, gets the entry pass and uses his quickness to get off a turnaround jumper before the defenders gets set! He had a post up game BEFORE he got to VCU!


By contrast, you can't find any footage of Deloach scoring back to the basket. It's all in transition or pull up 3 ptrs and face up iso's.

Deloach vs IMG (black jersey #4)



My God..just look at his workouts from this summer..He looks at and l markets himself as a POINT FORWARD!..he shooting pull up 3's, driving to the basket, and practicing face up iso's off the wing just like he did in hs!



Why is Rhoades throwing all his training away forcing him to play with his back to the basket?

Deloach is more like Ty Foster than he is Levi Stockard. Let him play his game!
 
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IMO this was our best defensive game so far. We bothered two very good guards. Their shooter was super the first half but we limited him in the second half and that was critical. They were bigger than us yet we did a decent job limiting easy layups. Getting them in foul trouble was critical in the first half and making them work the entire game showed in the last few minutes. Clearly Ace is the leader and Watkins will be a monster as the year goes on. I just do not get why Nunn disappears so often when Ace is on the floor. That has to change for us to be more consistent and to avoid the droughts that are so common. But even though Ace hit most the the critical shots it was a real team effort. Had to be pleased to see Watkins hit the crucial shot. Fun to win for a Bronco fan in the West. Have Mercy GO RAMS!!!
 

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I’m glad you are done because it sounds ridiculous trying to justify one player forced to carry a team on his back that was hyped up non stop even by the coach. GSW has multiple players that contribute. If you think it’s all Curry you must not watch. Jordan had Pippen and others. Lebron has had Wade, Bosh, Davis, Kyrie, Kevin Love among other all stars. Who does Ace consistently have? Exactly.
How many rings did the Warriors, Bulls and Heat win during those players era without Curry, Labron and Jordan? I must have swallowed a crazy pill before logging on tonight.
At least when Maynor averaged 23/night we didn't have fans on here complaining we were too dependent on him. Truely unbelievable listening to these takes. No wonder the sensible posters from the past moved on.
 
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How many rings did the Warriors, Bulls and Heat win during those players era without Curry, Labron and Jordan? I must have swallowed a crazy pill before logging on tonight.
At least when Maynor averaged 23/night we didn't have fans on here complaining we were too dependent on him. Truely unbelievable listening to these takes. No wonder the sensible posters from the past moved on.

That’s because people were on CAAZone still as RN didn’t exist 😉. And oh there was plenty of talk about how much we constantly depended on Maynor but the fact is Maynor still had contributors. Maynor was a facilitator but took over games if he had to. Regardless he still had players like Rozzell, Larry, Shuler, Anderson, TJ, etc that gave him help.

The point seems to go over your head that stars still have significant help. All of the stars you mention had all stars and or future hall of famers contributing.
 

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How many rings did the Warriors, Bulls and Heat win during those players era without Curry, Labron and Jordan? I must have swallowed a crazy pill before logging on tonight.
At least when Maynor averaged 23/night we didn't have fans on here complaining we were too dependent on him. Truely unbelievable listening to these takes. No wonder the sensible posters from the past moved on.
It amazed me how many people thought we would (or should) just hum right along on offense immediately after losing Ace. I thought people were more knowledgeable than that. I had zero expectations for the games in NY. Winning one game up there was quite an accomplishment. Hard to believe we almost won two, and the loss had some questionable calls down the stretch.
 

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I am gonna keep saying it.

Deloach originally came face up stretch four; we are trying to change him into a traditional post up big and he clearly isn't comfortable making back to the basket post moves. It isn't his game.

Tillman and Deloach are roughly the same size and body type. They had completely different games coming out if prep school and aau.

Tillman highlights at :30 mark showcase his ability to post up twice. He presents a wide target, gets the entry pass and uses his quickness to get off a turnaround jumper before the defenders gets set! He had a post up game BEFORE he got to VCU!


By contrast, you can't find any footage of Deloach scoring back to the basket. It's all in transition or pull up 3 ptrs and face up iso's.

Deloach vs IMG (black jersey #4)



My God..just look at his workouts from this summer..He looks at and l markets himself as a POINT FORWARD!..he shooting pull up 3's, driving to the basket, and practicing face up iso's off the wing just like he did in hs!



Why is Rhoades throwing all his training away forcing him to play with his back to the basket?

Deloach is more like Ty Foster than he is Levi Stockard. Let him play his game!
Let's remember Deloach is only a second year guy. How many big guys have we had in the past that didn't even get off the bench at that point in their careers. It takes time and experience.
 

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Let's remember Deloach is only a second year guy. How many big guys have we had in the past that didn't even get off the bench at that point in their careers. It takes time and experience.
Call me crazy but when I got home I thought about DeLoach tonight and I thought.....he had a good game in the little time he played. He had some rebounds and was active on D. If he can just stay out of foul trouble he is gonna help. Lawal and Fermin had to step in and that is also going to help down the road. Playing against a 7 foot 5th year senior was not easy for the VCU bigs. Oh and DeLoach helped keep him off the floor in the 1st half by being active and helping get him in foul trouble early.
 
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