The Official Beat the Vanderbilt Commodores at the Stu Thread

[Celticguy]

Do the Golden State Warriors complain about having to rely on Curry draining threes in order to win? Were fans complaining they needed Labron to average 30+ when they were winning championships? How about Michael Jordan's teams? Every great team needs their best players to play and produce or they aren't the same. This conversation is incredible. I'm through arguing with irrational clowns over the subject matter. Sheesh.

MJ didn't start winning championships until management finally paid for some effective team mates.
Much the same with James.
The NBA relies on showy stars to put fannies in seats, not the same as college.

 

[BradRamFan]

Sheesh, some of you people are unbelievable with all the talk about Ace is the only one carrying us and that is all this team has. Yet, this past Sat you were googoo-gaga for Nunn with his 24 points. Earlier this year Ace barely scored and it was Johns and Zeb both having double figure scoring. And in another game Watkins had double figure scoring I believe.
Yes, Ace does seem to be the most consistent but he is hardly the only player on the team "carrying" us. Plus you act like one guy getting tons of points is a new phenomenon. We have had similar in many games from the past......Treveon, Mo, Skeen during the final four, Jequan, Maynor, Big Brad, Troy Daniels, Troy Godwin, Dom, Len, Ren, Calvin Duncan and a plethora of others have had multiple huge games for us. Last year alone it was a two man with Vince and Curry
Give it time. We are only a quarter of the way through the season. I think you will see one or two more players start to have more consistent shooting nights as the season wears on. Plus, what we are seeing is more of a shooting by committee this year with one major scorer. Previous seasons we have had two or perhaps 3 major scorers and not a lot from the rest of the team. This year, the entire team has the capacity to score 6-10 points a game with one or two +15 point players a game. That can help us really spread the floor.

 

[Ululating Daddy]

Really looking forward to rewatching the game. Two questions I want to explore:
1. How did the duty of guarding #10 split between Johns and Kern? I know Johns started the 2nd half on him, but I think Kern played on him a lot. I want to really count the minutes.
2. What different lineups did Nunn play in, and for how long? He showed against KS what he can do, but going from that to 0 against Vandy is puzzling. He's someone we need to be consistently good, to have a successful year.

Thanks, @Mistachill !

 

[Valley drop step]

Sheesh, some of you people are unbelievable with all the talk about Ace is the only one carrying us and that is all this team has. Yet, this past Sat you were googoo-gaga for Nunn with his 24 points. Earlier this year Ace barely scored and it was Johns and Zeb both having double figure scoring. And in another game Watkins had double figure scoring I believe.
Yes, Ace does seem to be the most consistent but he is hardly the only player on the team "carrying" us. Plus you act like one guy getting tons of points is a new phenomenon. We have had similar in many games from the past......Treveon, Mo, Skeen during the final four, Jequan, Maynor, Big Brad, Troy Daniels, Troy Godwin, Dom, Len, Ren, Calvin Duncan and a plethora of others have had multiple huge games for us. Last year alone it was a two man with Vince and Curry
Give it time. We are only a quarter of the way through the season. I think you will see one or two more players start to have more consistent shooting nights as the season wears on. Plus, what we are seeing is more of a shooting by committee this year with one major scorer. Previous seasons we have had two or perhaps 3 major scorers and not a lot from the rest of the team. This year, the entire team has the capacity to score 6-10 points a game with one or two +15 point players a game. That can help us really spread the floor.

He’s a good player. Maybe not as good as some mentioned, but his impact is huge, bigger than stats. Could miss the starting PG in the past and play OK. They have trouble functioning without him,

 

[Celticguy]

Yeah, not sure why he is stating something that is not a thing. For instance, Brown-Jones wanted more playing time. DeLoach is getting big minutes as a sophomore.

He also aspires to be paid to play basketball when he is done here. He gets mixed reviews playing here. DL made a very good observation.

 

[Celticguy]

Stackhouse was not was not happy with the officiating all game. You could see it coming. He tried to stay calm but then snapped after that T. I'm not excusing his actions but I don't blame him for getting T'd up. If the Vandy player got a T for tapping his head when he got that dunk, that seems pretty soft to me. I've seen players do that all the time when dunking on someone and never been T'd up for it.

This.
Getting T'ed for pointing out he had been bonked was wrong.
Stackhouse needed to defend his guy.
And it almost worked out. They did put a good run on us after that.

 

[ramluvr99]

I said this last week but I think it bears repeating with all the shade recently tossed at Rhoades. When our two most talented players are healthy enough to start and contribute we perform better. Having Balwin and Watkins on the floor makes us a better team and the results are obvious if you take the time to look at the data. It's not rocket science and I can't think of any other team, at any level, where the same wouldn't hold true.

exactly

 

[Mistachill]

I don't follow preseason awards, but if Nunn was 3rd team All A-10, I don't think it was based on his pg skills. Last year he had almost as many turnovers as assists. In addition, when he was starting at the point last year, many on here weren't happy. Some were even calling for Arnold to start.lol

Obviously he's not as good a PG as Baldwin at this point in his career, otherwise he would be the starting PG. The point is Baldwin wasn't being replaced by a walk-on or some low talent guard. And the fact that we haven't recruited another point guard shows me that MR was comfortable with Nunn in that role when Ace needs a blow or is hurt. So he must have PG skills that MR felt he could rely on. Otherwise, you're saying MR put this roster together with only one viable PG option?

 

[Celticguy]

Is it me or are the 3s coming rushed and not in the open corners for instance? I do remember a wide open corner 3 badly missed by Jackson but not many more. Seems like the shooters are not finding space or the permitter passing in the halfcourt offense is not giving players off the ball enough space. That can be helped by more inside out passing. Unfortunately VCU's bigs have trouble receiving or giving passes. Or at least it seems that way to me.

Space was seldom a problem, setting feet and squaring up was.
Better use of inside out would help, but as you say we can't make inlet passes.

 

[AHEF]

Stackhouse was not was not happy with the officiating all game. You could see it coming. He tried to stay calm but then snapped after that T. I'm not excusing his actions but I don't blame him for getting T'd up. If the Vandy player got a T for tapping his head when he got that dunk, that seems pretty soft to me. I've seen players do that all the time when dunking on someone and never been T'd up for it.

I had to look it up - this appears to be why the T was accessed.

What Does Tapping the Head Mean in Basketball?​

Tapping one’s own head in basketball is different from patting someone. The former is a type of celebration or taunt. It means that someone just got dunked on.

While patting someone’s head is to show appreciation and sportsmanship.

 

[share the ball]

Considering all the concerns about Shriver on defense, he actually plays pretty good defense.

our weakest defender of the first 9 - end of discussion - drop the mic etc.
I will say he tries but not the type of defender that flourishes in MR defense - more of a stay between his man and the basket defender and not a deny the pass or rotate to open player or take a charge kinda of defender

his value with any team he has been on is his ability to shoot from deep - at Hartford he had one streak of 3 games near the season end where he was making like 6 or 7 of the deep balls a game and shooting above 50% from deep in that stretch - I would love to see a streak like that from shriver

go rams and go Shriver

 

[rollins77]

I had to look it up - this appears to be why the T was accessed.

What Does Tapping the Head Mean in Basketball?​

Tapping one’s own head in basketball is different from patting someone. The former is a type of celebration or taunt. It means that someone just got dunked on.

While patting someone’s head is to show appreciation and sportsmanship.

It means "On your head", as in, I just dunked on your head.

 

[Mr X]

You know what gets old? The bs crap about not being happy we won garbage some of y’all pull because we’re not happy that one player literally has carry our “deepest team ever” on his back his first game back after surgery. Ace played incredible but it shouldn’t take him having a career game for us to have a chance. We almost blew another lead this time after 3 T’s and coach was ejected. It’s not a sustainable offense when Deloach is a complete mess, Shriver contributes nothing, Watkins is still getting himself back, and John’s is the only big man contributing consistently. Jesus even Maynor got some help in his ridiculous games.

Still counts as a win.

 

[Wolfpack Ram]

Stackhouse was not was not happy with the officiating all game. You could see it coming. He tried to stay calm but then snapped after that T. I'm not excusing his actions but I don't blame him for getting T'd up. If the Vandy player got a T for tapping his head when he got that dunk, that seems pretty soft to me. I've seen players do that all the time when dunking on someone and never been T'd up for it.

Pretty sure those refs last night were SEC refs. In OOC play, normally the refs are from the visiting team's conference, neutral site games excluded. Jeffrey Clark has officiated in the Final Four. Bart Lenox is definitely an SEC ref.

Here's a tidbit that I think is funny. Mike Eades is the Coordinator of Basketball Officials for the SEC. That's like hiring a blind person to be a taxi cab driver. 🤣🤣🤣

 

[Mistachill]

our weakest defender of the first 9 - end of discussion - drop the mic etc.
I will say he tries but not the type of defender that flourishes in MR defense - more of a stay between his man and the basket defender and not a deny the pass or rotate to open player or take a charge kinda of defender

his value with any team he has been on is his ability to shoot from deep - at Hartford he had one streak of 3 games near the season end where he was making like 6 or 7 of the deep balls a game and shooting above 50% from deep in that stretch - I would love to see a streak like that from shriver

go rams and go Shriver

Haven't watched a single Hartford game but I would assume he had slightly shorter, slower, less athletic players close on him when shooting threes in the America East conference?