The Official Beat the Vanderbilt Commodores at the Stu Thread

[rambunctiousrowdyram]

Depends on who we play. Would a Maynor-less team barely beat Kennesaw State at home with 2nd year Joey at the point?

Obviously Maynor would be a huge loss scoring wise plus he demanded alot of attention but we had plenty of players that could run the point. Not as well of course but we had lots of great ball handlers and shooters back in the day. Heck even Bradford brought the ball up the court a bit. Would we definitely feel his loss in other games? Yes. But we would have handily beat kennesaw.

 

[Ramlove81]

Good to get a W, but my goodness we are struggling at the 3PT line. Luckily Ace made 4 last night, but the rest of the team only chipped in 3.

I vow from now on to never, ever, ever believe any sort of hype about anyone being able to shoot until I see it in live action, and consistent. The two who have shot the most are David (11/40, 27%) and Zeb (4/22, 18%). These are gross #'s. Maybe Ace being back opens up some things a bit but it's not like these are all super contested shot.

More Josh Banks.

"More Josh Banks."
Yes!

 

[RamDanFan]

Which leads to a point I pondered. Playing against longer, quicker, better athletes does he need to have a quicker release than he needed against his former level competition? Maybe he's rushing his shot because he's not used having it contested like it is versus playing in the America East Conference? I don't know the answer, other than I'm pretty confident it has nothing to do with playing in NBA arenas as someone else theorized.

You win the internet. Congratulations! Feel free to start patting yourself on the back. I was hoping those extended back drops were affecting his shot, as his success would drastically open up our offense. I still think he has it in him, but after that last shot clanker of his Wednesday night, I have come to the conclusion that becoming more selective with his shot is the only way he will regress to the mean.

 

[Ramlove81]

I was thinking about that just now. I suspect we may be calling this the "Jerry Stackhouse Freakout Game" for a long time.

That is tempting, but I'd rather remember Ace once again coming back from injury and this time having arguably the best game of his career (so far) to lead us to a much needed win. Stackhouse gets an asterisk at best.

 

[vcubballfan10]

I may go look for the video(s) as I hadn't either but supposedly there have been three or four other instances of it being a T this year prior to last night

I'm sure there have been some. I've just never seen it and I watch a lot basketball

 

[Ramlove81]

Geode his did the same as a freshman. He is just a bit stronger and more experienced. I was also stating the same about AB. If he can prove he can shoot, he will have a shot at the NBA. As we are now he is a lock for an overseas gig.

All you have to do to see he's proven he can shoot it off the dribble is look back at last year. He did it all season long.

 

[Mistachill]

You win the internet. Congratulations! Feel free to start patting yourself on the back. I was hoping those extended back drops were affecting his shot, as his success would drastically open up our offense. I still think he has it in him, but after that last shot clanker of his Wednesday night, I have come to the conclusion that becoming more selective with his shot is the only way he will regress to the mean.

Facts indicated this made little sense from the beginning. So I'm glad you shared that this was driven by hope versus anything tangible.

 

[theyaintwantit]

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Well I guess I stand corrected! He's definitely been solid as a point guard and he doesn't have bad TOs from the point guard position, but it is no secret the offense has been bad when Ace isn't starting at point guard.

 

[TampaKAP]

I'm sure there have been some. I've just never seen it and I watch a lot basketball

Agreed but here is an example of it from last year

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1486665159150030852

 

[share the ball]

shriver has always been (IMHO) trying to fit a round peg into a square hole ever since he signed with VCU.
no doubt he has shown he can shoot the ball from deep better than many but he is not in the mold of a the typical lengthy/athletic player that MR likes to play his brand of defense with -
nonetheless there will be times when Shriver will help this team with his outside shooting ability

I don't have tape to verify but it seems like Shriver takes 2/3 of his shots in the normal flow of our offense and would be categorized as open or partially open shots (those are fine in my mind)
I also remember about 1/3 of his shots are rushed or without his feet properly set or closely guarded (shots you should not take unless the shot clock is expiring)

Shriver's value is best (IMHO) as a catch and shoot guy - he is not quick enough to be a dribble, step back 3 shooter (think Bones ) nor does he move well enough to come off picks and shoot the 3 (think JJ Reddick)

should his minutes be limited - probably but lets give him the remainder of December

shooters need to shoot and often we will see them get hot for 4 straight from deep or a few games in a row - I think we will see that if we give him a little more time - I think the stage of playing at a top 60 program at VCU against better teams most nights is a stage that Shriver is not used to - whether he ever gets used to it - time will tell

go Rams and go Shriver

 

[vcubballfan10]

Agreed but here is an example of it from last year

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1486665159150030852

Thanks for the find. Inconsistent with that call.

 

[VCU85]

I left the building to meet Jerry Stackhouse at the bar. The ejection was planned lol

I KNEW IT !!!!!!!

 

[VCU85]

I understand that their is a lot at stake for these coaches. However, this guy acted like a complete fool during the game. No excuses. A leader is supposed to keep calm during times of difficulty. This steadies the troops.

I understand that sometime you get a T to fire up the troops but this was more than that. This was a total loss of control complete with F bombs and physical confrontation. This was inappropriate.

Again, I understand it as you give a man millions to coach a kids game and bad ish happens. Former pampered athletes who havent lived in the real world since say they were 17 -18 are going to have. tough time in their 40's-50's when facing real world problems.

I also understand the officiating from his perspective was trash. However, this is an away game at in a hostile arena with a team that protects its turf and fully expected to win. This type thing isnt unexpected. Hey have your guys play better. Have you guys play through.

I though the T was excessive. However, I also though it was getting a bit chippy. Refs, have to keep order and lets be clear refs rarely , if ever, favor VCU. It doesnt happen. We've been on the bad side of what we all believed was poor officiating it happens.

Finally, what bothers me the most isnt even his behavior as horrible and juvenile as it was. What bothered me is this man has no remorse. A classier person would have stated that they lost their cool and it shouldn't have happened. Not Stack. I remember his behavior in Philly when he had beef with Iverson which led to his trade. Seems like nothing changed. I hope the SEC sits his butt for a few games.

When you've been a pampered athlete your whole life you get away with sh*t, and don't have to say you're sorry to us mere mortals. I have a sneaky suspicion he, and Juwan Howard have the same major flaw...

Has anything been released from Vanderbilt ? You get (physically) escorted off the floor by the police, and I expect something from the powers that be. I mean Vandy is the Ivy League of the south........

 

[Wolfpack Ram]

When you've been a pampered athlete your whole life you get away with sh*t, and don't have to say you're sorry to us mere mortals. I have a sneaky suspicion he, and Juwan Howard have the same major flaw...

Has anything been released from Vanderbilt ? You get (physically) escorted off the floor by the police, and I expect something from the powers that be. I mean Vandy is the Ivy League of the south........

Pretty sure it was his own security, not VCU police, that escorted him off of the court. Mike Eades is the coordinator of SEC officials, and those were SEC officials. I think his bigger problem is going to be calling out officials from his own conference. That could very well garner him a fine from the SEC.

 

[CrozetRam]

shriver has always been (IMHO) trying to fit a round peg into a square hole ever since he signed with VCU.
no doubt he has shown he can shoot the ball from deep better than many but he is not in the mold of a the typical lengthy/athletic player that MR likes to play his brand of defense with -
nonetheless there will be times when Shriver will help this team with his outside shooting ability

I don't have tape to verify but it seems like Shriver takes 2/3 of his shots in the normal flow of our offense and would be categorized as open or partially open shots (those are fine in my mind)
I also remember about 1/3 of his shots are rushed or without his feet properly set or closely guarded (shots you should not take unless the shot clock is expiring)

Shriver's value is best (IMHO) as a catch and shoot guy - he is not quick enough to be a dribble, step back 3 shooter (think Bones ) nor does he move well enough to come off picks and shoot the 3 (think JJ Reddick)

should his minutes be limited - probably but lets give him the remainder of December

shooters need to shoot and often we will see them get hot for 4 straight from deep or a few games in a row - I think we will see that if we give him a little more time - I think the stage of playing at a top 60 program at VCU against better teams most nights is a stage that Shriver is not used to - whether he ever gets used to it - time will tell

go Rams and go Shriver

Shriver‘s confidence and decision-making are both in tatters right now. The only way out is to hit some shots, but how much longer can we let him shoot 20 percent or whatever to figure it out? On the bright side, Ace will get him open looks. Guaranteed. So if he plays, then he will have a chance to get confident. It’s be great to have such a threat out there off the bench.