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Wolfpack Ram said:
Zero A-10 players invited. That should tell you something regarding the current state of the league. Next year needs to be a breakout year for the A-10 or it's going to end up being a 2 bid league at best.
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17-18 last year A10 had more than 2 teams, so this is just a continuation of the decline that occurred (had 3 for like 4 years before that - level of talent slightly better in those years when the league had just lost Butler - xavier - temple )

I appreciate your point on the # of bids and would also add until the A10 raises its profile of out of conference games then 3 bids a year is likely ceiling - and 2 bids will remain the norm
A10 schools are behind the 8-ball in scheduling OOC because P6 will rarely play a10 teams at a10 venues or neutral courts and many a10 coaches are unwilling to play multiple p6s on the road (assuming the P6 will even agree to host a10 team)
a10 teams in top 8 of conference need to give themselves at a minimum two more opportunities to get Tier 1 Ws in OOC schedule (stop scheduling 6-8 Tier 4 buy games on avg to fatten records because it doesn't create a resume that gets you beyond 40-65 in NET and on the bubble every year )

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Wolfpack Ram said:
Zero A-10 players invited. That should tell you something regarding the current state of the league. Next year needs to be a breakout year for the A-10 or it's going to end up being a 2 bid league at best.
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None were invited in 2013, when the A-10 was a 5-bid league. In fact, James Ennis was invited and Long Beach State didn't even make the tournament.
 
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WillWeaverRVA said:
None were invited in 2013, when the A-10 was a 5-bid league. In fact, James Ennis was invited and Long Beach State didn't even make the tournament.
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So, you are saying you don't see a downward trend? If Davidson beats fur in the championship, the A-10 would have been a one bid league this year.
 
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Wolfpack Ram said:
So, you are saying you don't see a downward trend? If Davidson beats fur in the championship, the A-10 would have been a one bid league this year.
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There’s a downward trend in bids but it has no bearing on whether A-10 players get selected for the combine - no players were selected in the conference’s second strongest season ever.

The player I named as an example was selected for the combine despite being in a one-bid league and not even being on the team that got that one bid and he spent several years in the league. It found Bones in a two-bid league where the team he was on didn’t even get to play in the tournament. The NBA will find talent anywhere.
 
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Stream Vince live now (Davidson's Lee is on his team LOL)!

 
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Wolfpack Ram said:
Zero A-10 players invited. That should tell you something regarding the current state of the league. Next year needs to be a breakout year for the A-10 or it's going to end up being a 2 bid league at best.
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Even if we had gotten 5 bids to the tournament.... I don't think the A10 would have anyone in there.

A10 this year is a collection of really good players.... not GREAT or Breakout players.... there were no Bones Hylands or Obi Toppin's in the A10 this year.

Vince is a good player... not a GREAT player. Same thing with these other players named... Tyler Burton, Lee, Grady etc.

And this isn't meant to be a knock on Vince, or saying he can't get to the league..... but there's reasons he didn't get invited.... but other players over the years like Bones Hyland & Obi Toppin did. They are on another level in my opinion. Or at least were in college. Obi hasn't really "Broken out" in the NBA yet like Bones has.
 
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https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/vince-williams-nba-mock-draft-stock-vcu-rams-interview

Opponents were just 4-for-29 (13.8%) on jumpers off the dribble on possessions when Williams was the nearest defender, per Synergy. According to CBB Analytics, during the minutes when Williams was on the court, other teams shot worse than 30% on non-corner 3-pointers and from the midrange.
He was an irritant and menace on the defensive end of the floor, constantly forcing turnovers for his defensive unit, which fares significantly better with him playing relative to when he was not.
Very few players have notched the level of productivity Williams just showed when it comes to key defensive metrics (block percentage, steal percentage, defensive box plus-minus) and offensive metrics (assist percentage and 3-point attempt rate).
Some of the other players with that impact in recent years include: Herbert Jones, De’Anthony Melton, Gary Payton II, and Draymond Green. Within that group, Williams had the highest field-goal percentage both at the rim (68%) and on 3-pointers (38.7%).

Nice to see him compared to such players

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1526262575721234432
 
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MobileMunchies said:
https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/vince-williams-nba-mock-draft-stock-vcu-rams-interview

Opponents were just 4-for-29 (13.8%) on jumpers off the dribble on possessions when Williams was the nearest defender, per Synergy. According to CBB Analytics, during the minutes when Williams was on the court, other teams shot worse than 30% on non-corner 3-pointers and from the midrange.
He was an irritant and menace on the defensive end of the floor, constantly forcing turnovers for his defensive unit, which fares significantly better with him playing relative to when he was not.
Very few players have notched the level of productivity Williams just showed when it comes to key defensive metrics (block percentage, steal percentage, defensive box plus-minus) and offensive metrics (assist percentage and 3-point attempt rate).
Some of the other players with that impact in recent years include: Herbert Jones, De’Anthony Melton, Gary Payton II, and Draymond Green. Within that group, Williams had the highest field-goal percentage both at the rim (68%) and on 3-pointers (38.7%).

Nice to see him compared to such players

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1526262575721234432
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Herb Jones was the political answer. Draymond Green is the actual answer.
 
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RowdyPkunk said:
Even if we had gotten 5 bids to the tournament.... I don't think the A10 would have anyone in there.

A10 this year is a collection of really good players.... not GREAT or Breakout players.... there were no Bones Hylands or Obi Toppin's in the A10 this year.

Vince is a good player... not a GREAT player. Same thing with these other players named... Tyler Burton, Lee, Grady etc.

And this isn't meant to be a knock on Vince, or saying he can't get to the league..... but there's reasons he didn't get invited.... but other players over the years like Bones Hyland & Obi Toppin did. They are on another level in my opinion. Or at least were in college. Obi hasn't really "Broken out" in the NBA yet like Bones has.
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I beg to differ. Vince is a great player. If he were not he wouldnt be considered a 2nd round pick. He just didnt have eye popping scoring stats.
 
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