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Call me ol' grumpy, but I get bat poop crazy driving down Brook Rd behind someone doing 20mph and I can't pass them due to the stupid bike lanes (forgive me if you are a biking enthusiast) that I never see an actual bike using. If you bikers really want to have some fun bike down Studley Road in Hanover at rush hour like some do. I know of some people (my wife hehe) who will not drive on Broad anymore due to the bus lanes.
Anyway, my musings on a hot Monday afternoon......
Ol’ grumpy.
 
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Call me ol' grumpy, but I get bat poop crazy driving down Brook Rd behind someone doing 20mph and I can't pass them due to the stupid bike lanes (forgive me if you are a biking enthusiast) that I never see an actual bike using. If you bikers really want to have some fun bike down Studley Road in Hanover at rush hour like some do. I know of some people (my wife hehe) who will not drive on Broad anymore due to the bus lanes.
Anyway, my musings on a hot Monday afternoon......
Seriously though what is up with bikers on studley? That and Richmond turnpike. It’s like they want to piss everyone off.
 

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Richmond isn't run well, but it also has problems that every City in Virginia and to some extent the US faces... Which is almost all the money lives in the suburbs of Henrico and Chesterfield, not the city. The city has a population of 230,000... The Richmond Metro area has a population of 1.3M. The city doesn't benefit much from the money being elsewhere.

I don't see how it's solvable either. Richmond tried to fix it many years ago by annexing parts of Chesterfield that were wealthy... so everyone wealthy just left those areas.
 
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Richmond isn't run well,

I don't see how it's solvable either. Richmond tried to fix it many years ago by annexing parts of Chesterfield that were wealthy... so everyone wealthy just left those areas.
not sure how accurate your statement is regarding the annexed areas and the flight that occurred - there are still some very wealthy parts of Richmond and the FAN is probably one of the most valuable residential areas in the whole richmond metro area with its density and home values

while I am not a resident of Richmond, it has lots of things going well right now (usually those things govt is not involved with) - Scott's Addition has been going gangbusters for the last 5+ years

the city is challenged on a lot of fronts, tax base is hurt by the total of 3,223 parcels, constituting more than 8,500 acres valued at some $7.4 billion are identified as tax exempt, meaning they pay no property taxes at all. Given the City’s tax rate of $1.20 per $100 of assessed value, that’s $88.6 million in foregone tax revenue in 2020 alone. (in fairness the state does provide the city some money in lieu of real estate taxes for city services consumed by the state)
Poor public schools (Open High is exception as well as Maggie Walker if you want to call it a city school though 75% enrollement is non city)
sad part is the city has been negligent in building or modernizing its schools - before the new Huguenot High School was built, EVERY high school in Chesterfield was newer than ANY high school in Richmond - that is a tax revenue thing that the City lacks
city is also burdened with disproportionate costs for providing social services because the city is where more poverty exists

in all of this the failure of the city taxpayers to approve the casino referendum was shocking - it was an opportunity to create more jobs, better utilize worthless real estate, and create NEW tax revenues for the city, Majority of tax revenues would be from people living outside the City of Richmond (economists have often argued that casinos are a zero sum game because when viewed statewide it is basically people spending discretionary money on gambling and not somewhere else like lottery or going to movies etc )

I am rooting for the city from my residence in the County and I am probably in the minority and think Mayor Stoney has done a very good job in the core service improvements and his approach on major projects - I look at those that preceded him and say how much more stable Richmond is with his leadership (and yes he has not done everything perfect and stumbled now and then)
 
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not sure how accurate your statement is regarding the annexed areas and the flight that occurred - there are still some very wealthy parts of Richmond and the FAN is probably one of the most valuable residential areas in the whole richmond metro area with its density and home values

while I am not a resident of Richmond, it has lots of things going well right now (usually those things govt is not involved with) - Scott's Addition has been going gangbusters for the last 5+ years

the city is challenged on a lot of fronts, tax base is hurt by the total of 3,223 parcels, constituting more than 8,500 acres valued at some $7.4 billion are identified as tax exempt, meaning they pay no property taxes at all. Given the City’s tax rate of $1.20 per $100 of assessed value, that’s $88.6 million in foregone tax revenue in 2020 alone. (in fairness the state does provide the city some money in lieu of real estate taxes for city services consumed by the state)
Poor public schools (Open High is exception as well as Maggie Walker if you want to call it a city school though 75% enrollement is non city)
sad part is the city has been negligent in building or modernizing its schools - before the new Huguenot High School was built, EVERY very high school in Chesterfield was newer than ANY high school in Richmond - that is a tax revenue thing that the City lacks
city is also burdened with disproportionate costs for providing social services because the city is where more poverty exists

in all of this the failure of the city taxpayers to approve the casino referendum was shocking - it was an opportunity to create more jobs, better utilize worthless real estate, and create NEW tax revenues for the city, Majority of tax revenues would be from people living outside the City of Richmond (economists have often argued that casinos are a zero sum game because when viewed statewide it is basically people spending discretionary money on gambling and not somewhere else like lottery or going to movies etc )

I am rooting for the city from my residence in the County and I am probably in the minority and think Mayor Stoney has done a very good job in the core service improvements and his approach on major projects - I look at those that preceded him and say how much more stable Richmond is with his leadership (and yes he has not done everything perfect and stumbled now and then)

There is still too much "in fighting" in the City of Richmond government. Look at how long the school board and city council fought with each other over building a new George Wythe High School. That is a classic example of why people think city government is incompetent. They can't get out of their own way a lot of the time. And that's a classic example of why City of Richmond schools are in the shape they are in.
 

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He could mute it, he could choose not to read it,,,,,,no lets be "authoritarian" and controls others behavior
I sometimes feel like that the same posters that want to lock threads and ban posters are the very same people that are president of their HOA.
 

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It's ironic. The City of Richmond was growing and thriving when Henrico and Chesterfield were still mostly rural. They thrived as Richmond grew out to their borders and beyond and they became wealthy (at least more than the city now) suburbs. If not for the city of Richmond and mostly racist white flight to Henrico and Chesterfield, they would still be mostly rural, and to a great extent, mostly poor. But they owe the city nothing, right?
 

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not sure how accurate your statement is regarding the annexed areas and the flight that occurred - there are still some very wealthy parts of Richmond and the FAN is probably one of the most valuable residential areas in the whole richmond metro area with its density and home values

while I am not a resident of Richmond, it has lots of things going well right now (usually those things govt is not involved with) - Scott's Addition has been going gangbusters for the last 5+ years

the city is challenged on a lot of fronts, tax base is hurt by the total of 3,223 parcels, constituting more than 8,500 acres valued at some $7.4 billion are identified as tax exempt, meaning they pay no property taxes at all. Given the City’s tax rate of $1.20 per $100 of assessed value, that’s $88.6 million in foregone tax revenue in 2020 alone. (in fairness the state does provide the city some money in lieu of real estate taxes for city services consumed by the state)
Poor public schools (Open High is exception as well as Maggie Walker if you want to call it a city school though 75% enrollement is non city)
sad part is the city has been negligent in building or modernizing its schools - before the new Huguenot High School was built, EVERY high school in Chesterfield was newer than ANY high school in Richmond - that is a tax revenue thing that the City lacks
city is also burdened with disproportionate costs for providing social services because the city is where more poverty exists

in all of this the failure of the city taxpayers to approve the casino referendum was shocking - it was an opportunity to create more jobs, better utilize worthless real estate, and create NEW tax revenues for the city, Majority of tax revenues would be from people living outside the City of Richmond (economists have often argued that casinos are a zero sum game because when viewed statewide it is basically people spending discretionary money on gambling and not somewhere else like lottery or going to movies etc )

I am rooting for the city from my residence in the County and I am probably in the minority and think Mayor Stoney has done a very good job in the core service improvements and his approach on major projects - I look at those that preceded him and say how much more stable Richmond is with his leadership (and yes he has not done everything perfect and stumbled now and then)
Those were not all wealthy areas of Chesterfield County, think the Hopkins Rd. area. In fact, I think most were middle class or lower, but I don't remember for sure. Soon after the General Assembly passed a law banning the annexation of surrounding counties by any VA city. It was a last gasp of Jim Crow lawmaking in VA. The main problem with the City of Richmond is tax base or more succinctly lack of. That is why real estate taxes are so much higher in the city. VA is one of the few states in the Union where cities are separate entities from counties and therein lies the real problem for the City of Richmond...landlocked and limited tax base!

Someone stated this more succinctly earlier in this thread.
 

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Those were not all wealthy areas of Chesterfield County, think the Hopkins Rd. area. In fact, I think most were middle class or lower, but I don't remember for sure. Soon after the General Assembly passed a law banning the annexation of surrounding counties by any VA city. It was a last gasp of Jim Crow lawmaking in VA. The main problem with the City of Richmond is tax base or more succinctly lack of. That is why real estate taxes are so much higher in the city. VA is one of the few states in the Union where cities are separate entities from counties and therein lies the real problem for the City of Richmond...landlocked and limited tax base!

Someone stated this more succinctly earlier in this thread.
Virginia isn’t one of the few states where its cities are separate, independent entities from counties… it’s the only of the 50 states where that’s the case. There are only 3 cities in the whole country outside of Virginia that aren’t part of a county: Baltimore, Maryland, St. Louis, Missouri, and Carson City, Nevada. There are 41 independent cities in the United States and 38 of them are in Virginia.
 
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It's ironic. The City of Richmond was growing and thriving when Henrico and Chesterfield were still mostly rural. They thrived as Richmond grew out to their borders and beyond and they became wealthy (at least more than the city now) suburbs. If not for the city of Richmond and mostly racist white flight to Henrico and Chesterfield, they would still be mostly rural, and to a great extent, mostly poor. But they owe the city nothing, right?

No they don’t tbh. People are moving to the counties to get away from the city craziness. If not the surrounding counties they would go elsewhere which would mean they wouldn’t be visiting Richmond at all. Whether the city wants to admit it or not it needs people coming into the city business wise. City people alone can’t sustain the businesses as we’ve seen over the last few years. City business owners admit it’s really hurting that less people are going into the city. The counties have long shown they can sustain themselves. Hanover schools are some of the best in the state/ country and is becoming a country for blossoming businesses as well just roped in things like the ABC headquarters. Chesterfield is prospering and constantly growing. Henrico has deep pockets and is showing it. Can’t simply say the counties owe us because Richmond was here. The counties have been progressing for years and were by no means struggling. People want to raise families outside the city or have a quieter life. They don’t owe the city for wanting that.

Also it’s not as though the counties abandoned the city. They tried to work with them and when they did the city wanted their money but didn’t want to give them any perks or value for city improvement. The counties are not a bank and the city leadership looked at them like one.
 
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Virginia isn’t one of the few states where its cities are separate, independent entities from counties… it’s the only of the 50 states where that’s the case. There are only 3 cities in the whole country outside of Virginia that aren’t part of a county: Baltimore, Maryland, St. Louis, Missouri, and Carson City, Nevada. There are 41 independent cities in the United States and 38 of them are in Virginia.
And that structure works as intended.
 

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The City of Richmond has been growing at a similar rate to the counties for the last decade. It’s seen more new construction in the last 5-10 years than at any point in the lives of the people posting here.

The reason a lot of people from the counties don’t go to the cities is the same reason I don’t spend much money in the counties… I go to places near my house out of convenience. If you live 20-30 minutes away from the city, then you probably don’t want to deal with the traffic and parking when there are restaurants, shopping, and entertainment near your house. I have no interest in getting in my car and driving to Short Pump when everything I need is close to my house in the city. I think I’ve actually driven to Short Pump fewer than 10 times in the last 8 years. I rarely drive further west than Parham. And I only go to Chesterfield to visit my mother. I think it’s pretty normal for people to live most of their lives in their own small radius.
 
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