W3=Wiretap Willie Wade

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Let’s understand that the NCAA is really an organization that represents university presidents. Those presidents have supposedly agreed upon a set of rules that are not laws but rules that bind each other from causing harm. Harm can be in the form of physical harm (the original reason for the establishment of the NCAA) or harm to the games. Dawkins made it clear that he saw no reason that players should not be paid by the shoe companies or anyone else. The presidents/NCAA know that players are being paid but they also know if they allow it to be an open market it would destroy the key concept of a level playing field (which is of course a facade at this point but remains in principle). IMO The FBI had to back away once they realized that the coaches were not taking any money because senators from all the states with dominant P5 schools always lobby to stay out of the business of collegiate sports. Until that changes only the presidents can change what is happening and they have no interest in doing that while the universities continue to make millions of tax free dollars. The whole scheme is very interesting when you look at it from 10,000 feet high. The only difference between WW and Miller and many other coaches at that level is they were caught on the wire. What do you all think Coach Rhoades means when he says we will play and win the “right” way? There is a difference.
The FBI got involved due to some wire fraud involving the imprisoned and pro athletes he represented (he was stealing their money) and they stumbled across the college stuff in the form of his ledger of transactions he facilitated. In short it was pure dumb luck. But you're correct that the NCAA doesn't have much interest in pursuing anything further.
 
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Wade was very arrogant/bold when talking to Christian Dawkins. The type of arrogance that comes with experience. I just hope he kept it clean while coaching here.

It seems pretty obvious that the top players are getting paid, outside of scholarships, to attend schools. How far does it go? Are just the top 100 players getting paid or maybe just the top 50? Do non P-5 schools have the resources to pay players? Probably some non P-5 schools set aside money to "compete" but I would not guess many. That is the issue. The NCAA is allowing for a non leveled playing field.

I can't even imagine how much money is thrown at top college football players. During the Cam Newton recruitment his family passed on a $180,000 offer from Mississippi State which implies Auburn garnered his services by paying more.
 
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Oddly, football is not as lucrative for the shoe companies, so they are probably clean there. More likely, Cam’s compensation was from a Car Dealer or local personal injury attorney with ties to the school.
 

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Oddly, football is not as lucrative for the shoe companies, so they are probably clean there. More likely, Cam’s compensation was from a Car Dealer or local personal injury attorney with ties to the school.
agree 100%. on that but remember also after graduating and before a single NFL pass Cam signed what at the time was the largest shoe company endorsement deal fro an incoming rookie with UA. And whose deal did it surpass? The Adidas deal with Reggie Bush. So both UA and Adidas were also players in the football world at that time
 

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agree 100%. on that but remember also after graduating and before a single NFL pass Cam signed what at the time was the largest shoe company endorsement deal fro an incoming rookie with UA. And whose deal did it surpass? The Adidas deal with Reggie Bush. So both UA and Adidas were also players in the football world at that time
Oh they are players in the football world for sure, it’s viewed as the gateway to credibility—for adidas specifically it is their strategy to gain relevance with American consumers for something other than soccer.....since Nike dominates basketball and running which account for the vast majority of consumer spend. UA and Adidas have used the strategy to sign up schools because the team licensing is huge $$$ and the hope is that will drive relevance in other categories that Nike owns. There aren’t as many dollars in the gear and shoes side of the business for football—basketball is unique because most consumers tend to follow stars over teams/programs.....so placing small bets on kids going into college can yield billion dollar brands on the back end. The big bets on Bush and Cam never really paid off for adidas and UA—Bush could have but he got hurt, UA probably failed because their products suck and their marketing is even worse.
 
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