What'd you Expect!

[WestEndEd]

I’m just saying the excuse is weak. Wade was over 5 years ago. That’s over a class ago in normal times. Year 1-2 if someone wants to use that fine. Not now in year 6.

Fair enough but he had to build, you said "handed on a silver platter."

Willy was pretty much not MR.

 

[PhantomRam]

A new head coach too.

I am sure Villanova will give him a good 6 years to right the ship.

 

[rambunctiousrowdyram]

Fair enough but he had to build, you said "handed on a silver platter."

Willy was pretty much not MR.

I never said that. Someone else did. However MR was given the keys to a machine. Not to mention we’ve given him every possible request and resource that even King Shaka didn’t have. He has thinks none of our coaches got yet they got better results.

 

[WestEndEd]

I never said that. Someone else did. However MR was given the keys to a machine. Not to mention we’ve given him every possible request and resource that even King Shaka didn’t have. He has thinks none of our coaches got yet they got better results.

Sorry you caught a stray then.

 

[vcu2016]

Fair enough but he had to build, you said "handed on a silver platter."

Willy was pretty much not MR.

I never said that. Someone else did. However MR was given the keys to a machine. Not to mention we’ve given him every possible request and resource that even King Shaka didn’t have. He has thinks none of our coaches got yet they got better results.

I said he had the program handed to him on a silver platter, and I'll stand by it. He rode the coattails of the success on Shaka and WW. National recognition, legit recruiting every year, state of the art practice facility, fan enthusiasm was through the roof, sell out streak, and all he had to do was be competent, and he has proven that that is too difficult.

 

[MobileMunchies]

I said he had the program handed to him on a silver platter, and I'll stand by it. He rode the coattails of the success on Shaka and WW. National recognition, legit recruiting every year, state of the art practice facility, fan enthusiasm was through the roof, sell out streak, and all he had to do was be competent, and he has proven that that is too difficult.

This is his 19h year head coaching. If that's a silver platter situation you could just as well say the same about nearly anyone in any line of work.

 

[rambunctiousrowdyram]

This is his 19h year head coaching. If that's a silver platter situation you could just as well say the same about nearly anyone in any line of work.

The post was he was given the keys to the program on a silver platter. Mainly because he was on the staff of Shaka. There’s nothing incorrect about that. Our program was a absolute machine after 2011. He took over a program with a insane sell out streak, top mid major resources, a streak of NCAAs, and every request he made. Never mind a great coaching salary. Honestly his previous coaching at Rice was good for a program like Rice but not for what VCU expects.

 

[vcu2016]

This is his 19h year head coaching. If that's a silver platter situation you could just as well say the same about nearly anyone in any line of work.

Full transparency, I'm not really sure what you are getting at here. I'm not following at all.

 

[MobileMunchies]

Full transparency, I'm not really sure what you are getting at here. I'm not following at all.

And I don't see why this needs an explanation. He "rode the coattails" on his own success in two previous HC positions of over a dozen years. No one handed him anything. He earned the job he now holds.

 

[vcu2016]

I mean, he earned the job in large part because he was on the staff during the most successful stretch of VCU basketball history and people wanted to have a steady hand after the quick WW tenure. To say no one handed him anything is just not accurate. By becoming the VCU basketball coach he was inherently "handed" the program and everything involved with it. He inherited a good roster and a team that had won 25 and 26 games the two years prior. He was handed the program in a state of utter euphoria where fan participation and fan/student engagement and interest were at a very high level as well as donor participation and contributions. He was handed the reigns to a nationally relevant program, to which he to a large extent, really didn't have much to do with. He was an assistant coach. He also was handed a tried and true successful blue print in which to win a lot of games and get good recruits. He was handed access to resources second to none for a school at our level. He was handed the practice facility. Rhoades didn't build any of this. Rhoades is quite frankly a beneficiary of "right place right time" and just being a down to earth, bleed black and gold guy. He's not a bad coach either but to say he wasn't handed everything that he has here is just not true. Only thing he brought with him was a few transfers. All he had to do was just not mess it up. The blueprint and plans were already there before he took over. All of this was given to him when he took the job by default. It's now his team.

My point is, all he had to do was just keep it going, and he hasn't done that. Ever since he became head coach, we have been trending downward. I don't know what more you could give the guy and yet he has failed to meet expectations.

 

[rambunctiousrowdyram]

And I don't see why this needs an explanation. He "rode the coattails" on his own success in two previous HC positions of over a dozen years. No one handed him anything. He earned the job he now holds.

Let’s be straight up if we were coach searching if Rhoades wasn’t connected to our staff previously he wouldn’t have been on the list. Atleast not on results alone. Wade was a coach of the year for his conference so maybe he would be. Rhoades was taking Rice to the CBI. To say he didn’t get the job mainly off being on our staff is pretty incorrect. I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve it for putting time in but if we were hiring solely on best possible candidates his results would have not been there. We don’t hire for jobs solely based on time spent doing a job. You hire on how they have performed previously and their potential if hired. No different then when recruiting. We brought him in for familiarity and to keep the Havoc train going.

 

[MobileMunchies]

I mean, he earned the job in large part because he was on the staff during the most successful stretch of VCU basketball history and people wanted to have a steady hand after the quick WW tenure. To say no one handed him anything is just not accurate. By becoming the VCU basketball coach he was inherently "handed" the program and everything involved with it. He inherited a good roster and a team that had won 25 and 26 games the two years prior. He was handed the program in a state of utter euphoria where fan participation and fan/student engagement and interest were at a very high level as well as donor participation and contributions. He was handed the reigns to a nationally relevant program, to which he to a large extent, really didn't have much to do with. He was an assistant coach. He also was handed a tried and true successful blue print in which to win a lot of games and get good recruits. He was handed access to resources second to none for a school at our level. He was handed the practice facility. Rhoades didn't build any of this. Rhoades is quite frankly a beneficiary of "right place right time" and just being a down to earth, bleed black and gold guy. He's not a bad coach either but to say he wasn't handed everything that he has here is just not true. Only thing he brought with him was a few transfers. All he had to do was just not mess it up. The blueprint and plans were already there before he took over. All of this was given to him when he took the job by default. It's now his team.

My point is, all he had to do was just keep it going, and he hasn't done that. Ever since he became head coach, we have been trending downward. I don't know what more you could give the guy and yet he has failed to meet expectations.

This post is a poorly performing washing machine churning the same bs statement over and over and it still doesn't come out clean.
When he was hired, he had a dozen years of qualifications involving bettering programs, both of which are still great programs. Rice and RMC have been elevated during and after his tenures at those programs where he was HC. No one "inherits" anything when they work their asses off to get there.
He was hired to a program on the heels of 2 coaches that used it as a stepping stone, a rapidly evolving transfer portal situation where HMs get burned, and a worldwide pandemic.

 

[MobileMunchies]

Rice and RMC have been elevated during and after his tenures at those programs where he was HC.

VCU has been as well. We have two consecutive players signed to NBA contracts and numerous overseas. I don't see any coaches here in our past who can claim such a thing. Those two NBA-contracted players I met face to face while being recruited by the HC being thrashed and belittled, here. He didn't "inherit" Bones and Vince. The last I've seen, this year about a dozen out of hundreds in the country can claim such a thing.

 

[vcu2016]

This post is a poorly performing washing machine churning the same bs statement over and over and it still doesn't come out clean.
When he was hired, he had a dozen years of qualifications involving bettering programs, both of which are still great programs. Rice and RMC have been elevated during and after his tenures at those programs where he was HC. No one "inherits" anything when they work their asses off to get there.
He was hired to a program on the heels of 2 coaches that used it as a stepping stone, a rapidly evolving transfer portal situation where HMs get burned, and a worldwide pandemic.

I am acknowledging that he "earned" his position as head coach here, whichever way he did it, he did it. But when someone becomes a CEO of a company (head coach of a basketball team) after a promotion for example (coming to a bigger school), they inherit the current status and inherit all aspects of the company (basketball program) as well as inheriting the expectation to continue to grow said company (basketball program) as part of their duty. Sure, they may have contributed by working up the latter internally for years or earned a shot at that position based on previous experience and successes, but when you take over as head honcho, you are, by default, "handed" the company, and in this case, MR was "handed" the program and along with that, you are "handed" all expectations as well. Not all people who come into a coaching role for that matter, have been involved with that school and helped it get to the point of where it is when they take over. That doesn't change the reality that by becoming head coach, you are by definition inheriting the program and everything along with it.

This makes no sense to me. You're acting like MR built this program from the ground up and has been our only head coach for 20+ years and he's the only reason we are in the position we are today. You're acting as if he wasn't handed and inherited a program (by being hired as the head coach) that was booming. You work your ass off so that you can inherit more responsibility.... that's part of getting a promotion. You are given and inherit more things. MR was a small, small cog in the machine that built this program to where it is now back as an assistant. Then he left, and Will Wade arguably built it up even more without MR in the picture. Since MR has taken over, what he inherited vs what the program is now are vastly different, and not in a good way.

 

[2012Ram]

I don't give a flying fudge how many NBA players hes sent up if hes not winning enough here. Who cares?