Green City

I think it depends on the development around the arena. Looking at the masterplan it doesn't seem like the complex itself would provide anything compelling that would interest out of town folks beyond the tournament games. Lowes, Walmart, Big Lots and a cash wash is not much of an attraction.

Now, if the project attracts other entertainment options close by, that would make a huge difference. I just don't see many people traveling from out of town wanting to drive into the city to do stuff and there's not much to offer in that part of Henrico in terms of entertainment.

The Green City location always seemed weird to me for an arena.

The tournament is the attraction. There was nothing to do during the CAA tournament outside of watch basketball but people showed up anyways.
 
Are they configuring the arena to favor sports seating or concert seating? Seems like the latter would make a lot more sense.. not that there is a huge difference, but still.
 
This arena isn’t in Richmond. A ten mile drive to downtown? Not sure that’s attractive.
If the put the Pulse Bus out there then Scott's addition is in play, but I'll bet you ANYTHING there will be some one building a brewery you can walk to from there. (Might need to set up a shuttle just for the A10 tourney)
 
The tournament is the attraction. There was nothing to do during the CAA tournament outside of watch basketball but people showed up anyways.
Shockoe bottom/slip was a short Uber or bus ride away from the Coliseum. Plus for a while the 6th Street Marketplace was operating when the CIAA, MEAC and CAA tournaments were booked at the Coliseum. You have to provide more than just basketball games for the tournament experience to be considered top notch for people who have traveled to attend.
 
If the put the Pulse Bus out there then Scott's addition is in play, but I'll bet you ANYTHING there will be some one building a brewery you can walk to from there. (Might need to set up a shuttle just for the A10 tourney)
That's kinda what I'm counting on. The complex will need to attract additional development to make it all work.
 
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If the put the Pulse Bus out there then Scott's addition is in play, but I'll bet you ANYTHING there will be some one building a brewery you can walk to from there. (Might need to set up a shuttle just for the A10 tourney)
That's kinda what I'm counting on. Some complex will need to attract additional development to make it all work.
GRTC has actually already begun studies on a north-south Pulse route, and the study area covers the locations of both the Virginia Center Commons facility and Green City. It seems pretty likely there'll be a Pulse service between downtown and the Green City area by the time Green City begins operations.


And even if not, it wouldn't really be hard to send buses on the 15-minute drive up I-95.
 
GRTC has actually already begun studies on a north-south Pulse route, and the study area covers the locations of both the Virginia Center Commons facility and Green City. It seems pretty likely there'll be a Pulse service between downtown and the Green City area by the time Green City begins operations.


And even if not, it wouldn't really be hard to send buses on the 15-minute drive up I-95.
I don't know. I'm old enough to remember the game day bus service between campus and the coliseum back in the day (only about a mile). Sounds viable in theory, not sure it works in real life.
 
GRTC has actually already begun studies on a north-south Pulse route, and the study area covers the locations of both the Virginia Center Commons facility and Green City. It seems pretty likely there'll be a Pulse service between downtown and the Green City area by the time Green City begins operations.


And even if not, it wouldn't really be hard to send buses on the 15-minute drive up I-95.
Meaningful Expansion of the Pulse is a pipe dream - the cost to do the limited section GRTC operates was primarily funded through a federal grant - those are exceptionally competitive . right now I think improved rail service is the biggest ask the region is making to the federal govt

our region (Richmond, Chesterfield, Henrico and Hanover are not committed to creating a new revenue source (sales tax) to support these types of transit improvements that you are describing (GRTC does lots of studies and that is good but so few can be supported without regional buy-in and big time money)

think about how long it took to get a simple bus to go all the way out to Short Pump town Center and how long GRTC has been unable to get Chesterfiled to support expanding and paying for service out route 60 to Midlothian or 360 out to Brandermill (expanded service along jeff davis is on Chesterfield radar)

I would hope they at least work with Henrico and Hanover to expand bus service to those venues at Va Center Commons and Green City to support customers and provide transportation for workers too - it just makes too much sense BUT it is a money loser and will require subsidies from the localities (what I remember is the fare box revenue generates less than 50% of the cost to operate )
 
I don't know. I'm old enough to remember the game day bus service between campus and the coliseum back in the day (only about a mile). Sounds viable in theory, not sure it works in real life.
Fwiw I'm typing this on the Pulse on my way to work. Certainly not a tourist but I'd Pulse to a Green City game (have Pulsed to games plenty on the current route)
 
It seems to me that it would be doable for GRTC to offer an event-day bus from Richmond to Green City. It would only run on days when something big is going on there, like the A10 tourney or large events. It wouldn't necessarily have to be part of the Pulse system, but it could leave from a Pulse stop, which means people could easily get to the "launch" point.
 
It's crazy how quickly it gets rural east of the city. Less than five minutes on Route 5 from Rockett's Landing and you've got cornfields on either side of the road.
I wish southside west was like that. I remember Huguenot road being kind of a border and 5 minutes west of chippenham mall Turing into 60 being woods.
 
I dont have facts at hand, but, wasn't the pressure political, as in the Short Pumpers and Arresterfields didnt want "urban" people riding the bus to them, from downtown? I don't think there are so many practical barriers but more political ones, and I don't see Green City having that problem?
Short Pump has generally welcomed GRTC route expansion, actually. The #19 and #79 buses see a lot of ridership and Henrico is generally enthusiastic about helping fund GRTC's operations. I think they'd be perfectly happy with routes to Green City.

It's Chesterfield that has been resistant to expanding bus routes, it's why most of the bus routes don't go far into the western parts of the county (except the #82X Commonwealth 20 Express, which has no other stops in Chesterfield County at all). There was a route on Route 1 that the county quietly eliminated when COVID happened. Chesterfield County infamously said the quiet part out loud in an old version of its transportation plan, stating that they don't want poor people to enter the more affluent parts of the county. GRTC wants to put Pulse lines on Midlothian Turnpike and Hull Street Road but I don't see that ever happening.
 
I think it depends on the development around the arena. Looking at the masterplan it doesn't seem like the complex itself would provide anything compelling that would interest out of town folks beyond the tournament games. Lowes, Walmart, Big Lots and a cash wash is not much of an attraction.

Now, if the project attracts other entertainment options close by, that would make a huge difference. I just don't see many people traveling from out of town wanting to drive into the city to do stuff and there's not much to offer in that part of Henrico in terms of entertainment.

The Green City location always seemed weird to me for an arena.
I'm sure there would be hotels and a restaurant or two near the arena. Probably some sort of tented outdoor event outside of the arena during a tournament as well. A lot of people stay more than 10 minutes away from the arena in Brooklyn and DC anyway. Other than getting something to eat and drink I don't think tournament goers are looking to do much that they would need to go downtown for.
 
Here's a solution, albeit a pipedream: Open the county to bus routes as far as 288 and drop the tolls on the Powhite and Downtown Expressway. That opens things up both ways, much like western Henrico. For years I've heard, "Why go to the city when I have to pay tolls each way, pay for parking, and pay higher taxes at city restaurants?"

In the interest of full disclosure, I've lived in Richmond Metro for nearly 4 decades, first in the City on the southside, then Western Henrico, then deep in Chesterfield and now back in the City. As the City continues to grow, just look at Scott's Addition as an example, sooner or later Chesterfield is going to want some of those spendable dollars.
 
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