1st year coaches

[Ram it home]

Before all of you b!tch and moan about how horrible Shaka is in his 1st year take a look at the regular season records of all the 1st year D-1 coaches this season.

This includes all coaches new to their programs, whether they have been a head coach before or not. Only Pastner and Mack have better records in their first year as head coaches.

 

[VCU MJ]

Great Stat. Thanks for the perspective.

 

[mike7842]

And your point? The three coaches above him will be in the dance. Remember Shaka had 4 starters returning and a nice recruiting class.

 

[xjohnx]

And your point? The three coaches above him will be in the dance. Remember Shaka had 4 starters returning and a nice recruiting class.

...and they all have at LEAST one all american playing for them.

 

[ramtastic83]

And your point? The three coaches above him will be in the dance. Remember Shaka had 4 starters returning and a nice recruiting class.

are you serious??? why cant anyone give the man a break, i admit i question shaka at times but he is a first year coach, he will make some mistakes but fudgeing give the guy a break

in shaka i trust, and i hope he is around for some time now

i base all my opinions from a long talk with TJ, Joey, and EdNix last night

 

[YouveBeenRammed]

And your point? The three coaches above him will be in the dance. Remember Shaka had 4 starters returning and a nice recruiting class.

Exactly. I'm not sure what this is supposed to prove? Let's compare Shaka to Calipari or Jason James. It's just not a fair comparison. There are too many variables. All the teams listed had new coaches this year for different reasons. Memphis and VCU our coaches left for "greener pastures." Elon and Florida International have new coaches because they suck every year.

At the end of the day our team underperformed against our peers in the CAA. The fact that Shaka did relatively well compared to John Cooper, Scott Cherry, and Tyler Geving is irrelevant. This isn't going to end the argument amognst fans about our coaches 1st year performance. But for the love of God I wish it would end the personal attacks.

 

[DCDuck]

Memphis, Kentucky and Xavier are all nationally recognized, prestigious programs. Memphis and Xavier both made long tournament runs last year. Kentucky has four All-Americans on its roster.

VCU is a mid-major program. I know a lot of fans still can't get over that fact, but it's the truth. It doesn't matter what we did in the 1980s, just like it doesn't matter what Loyola-Marymount did in the 1990s. To do what we have been able to do in the past five years has been nothing short of remarkable, and to expect VCU to mirror the results of major-level programs like Xavier and Memphis and an all-time power like Kentucky borders on the absurd.

 

[ramtastic83]

And your point? The three coaches above him will be in the dance. Remember Shaka had 4 starters returning and a nice recruiting class.

Exactly. I'm not sure what this is supposed to prove? Let's compare Shaka to Calipari or Jason James. It's just not a fair comparison. There are too many variables. All the teams listed had new coaches this year for different reasons. Memphis and VCU our coaches left for "greener pastures." Elon and Florida International have new coaches because they suck every year.

At the end of the day our team underperformed against our peers in the CAA. The fact that Shaka did relatively well compared to John Cooper, Scott Cherry, and Tyler Geving is irrelevant. This isn't going to end the argument amognst fans about our coaches 1st year performance. But for the love of God I wish it would end the personal attacks.

 

[VCU Finance 2008]

Very impressive to see Coach Smart so high up on that list. There are a lot of talented coaches listed under him. I believe Tony Bennett was a former AP coach of the year, obviously Grant was successful here as was Mark Fox at Nevada. I think Nevada is a pretty good comparison to our situation this year, and we have outperformed them.

 

[VCULee]

It's nice to see this information compiled. If a more fair comparison is to be made, then compare rookies to rookies. There is a difference between a rookie head coach and a 1st year head coach at a new school but with previous experience.

Nonetheless, Shaka has surrounded himself with good people to learn from and get more seasoning for next year.

 

[Pavarotti]

Side note, Shufan's Pastner kid has been doing a good job at Memphis, too.

 

[Mistachill]

22-9 overall, 11-7 conference, #5 seed, lost to #1 seed in OT in the semi finals.

So what was the acceptable level of performance for this season? What would've met expectations? For example, was this the minimum level of acceptable performance this season:

25-6 overall, 14-4 conference, #2 seed, playing tomorrow in the CAA finals?

Last year at this time we were 23-9, 14-4 conference, #1 seed, playing tomorrow in the CAA final.

So minus Maynor (and Grant) we were suppose to improve overall, have the same record in conference, drop just one seed and play for the title? Maynor had that little impact on the program?

At the end of the day our team underperformed against our peers in the CAA. The fact that Shaka did relatively well compared to John Cooper, Scott Cherry, and Tyler Geving is irrelevant. This isn't going to end the argument amognst fans about our coaches 1st year performance. But for the love of God I wish it would end the personal attacks.

 

[ShoeSh1ne]

And your point? The three coaches above him will be in the dance. Remember Shaka had 4 starters returning and a nice recruiting class.

Last I checked Memphis is out. They should fire him.

 

[cooke4rams]

Most first year coaches inherit a pile of sh?t too and takes them a few years to turn it around, so I'm not sure this thread holds much water

 

[YouveBeenRammed]

22-9 overall, 11-7 conference, #5 seed, lost to #1 seed in OT in the semi finals.

So what was the acceptable level of performance for this season? What would've met expectations? For example, was this the minimum level of acceptable performance this season:

25-6 overall, 14-4 conference, #2 seed, playing tomorrow in the CAA finals?

Last year at this time we were 23-9, 14-4 conference, #1 seed, playing tomorrow in the CAA final.

So minus Maynor (and Grant) we were suppose to improve overall, have the same record in conference, drop just one seed and play for the title? Maynor had that little impact on the program?

At the end of the day our team underperformed against our peers in the CAA. The fact that Shaka did relatively well compared to John Cooper, Scott Cherry, and Tyler Geving is irrelevant. This isn't going to end the argument amognst fans about our coaches 1st year performance. But for the love of God I wish it would end the personal attacks.

11-7 in coference play should not be acceptable! That is our worst conference record since Capel's last year and we were a 6 seed. I'm all for tearing it up OOC, but when you are a mid-major, we need to take care of business in conference.

Additionally, I never mentioned Eric Maynor's name. There is no need to put words in my mouth.