Big man play tonight: Thoughts please.

[VCU4LIFE]

Haha, you just brought back memories of LF Likcholitov sitting in Hibbs with 3 trays piled with food, not counting the whole pizza sitting next to them. Little Denis Orlov tried to keep up, but couldn't gain an ounce!

 

[duncanlamb]

VRam just made the head-scratching point on another thread that DJ and David played a combined 22 minutes tonight, and DID NOT RECORD A SINGLE REBOUND. I'll add to that that Reddic played another 14 minutes and totaled 2 boards. That's 36 minutes from the 3 big men and a whopping total of 2 rebounds.

Things that make you say Hmmmmm......

very interesting? how does that happen...were they in position to get rebounds...did they play timidly. can't be lack of fundamentals ?!!!! not good.

 

[VCU4LIFE]

Don't get me wrong, I am not bashing a young student athlete here, and I love David Hinton's attitude and work ethic, but does anyone else think we are wasting valuable development minutes that should be going to DJ Haley every time we run Hinton out there in the middle of the game??

Disagree. I think David Hinton can and will develop into a servicable backup, which is important to have. He plays hard, and reminds me of a walk-on version of a Derrick Reid. Nothing wrong with getting him experience, he is only a sophomore and has a few years of service left to us to continue to develop.

Totally agree with pavarotti's assessment here. I think Hinton can become servicable for minute eating by the time he's a senior; though maybe not quite yet.

What a homer!

Sounds like we are saying the same thing - he will be ready in a year or two for the role he is being given now. I'd rather see DJ playing that role now at every possiblity, as his development seems a bit more urgent and valuable than that of a walk-on.

 

[VRam]

VRam just made the head-scratching point on another thread that DJ and David played a combined 22 minutes tonight, and DID NOT RECORD A SINGLE REBOUND. I'll add to that that Reddic played another 14 minutes and totaled 2 boards. That's 36 minutes from the 3 big men and a whopping total of 2 rebounds.

Things that make you say Hmmmmm......

Yeah, I seem to recall going big was going to solve the rebounding problems. Rob out-rebounded the three of them combined. I guess Shaka knows what he's doing.

 

[rammad90]

I typically do not disagree with Pav but I too would like to see Hinton's minutes go to Haley. Haley has a better upside and the only thing holding him back is conditioning and experience.

Hinton will never be more than he is and no he isn't Derrick Reid. Derrick was recruited as a wing and could score some he just never got much better but arrived at a much better place ability wise than Hinton.

As to this game. I think Shaka did a good job adjusting in the second half. I am out of the country and only had the courtesy of 5 minutes of the radio show before it cut off. However, Shaka took our Hinton, and Juvonte replace them with skein and I think Brad. That's when we made our run.

Again, props to the coach. I haven't had much to cheer about with regards to Shaka's gamesmanship but tonight he did his thing.

Also, for all you Joey bashers I think we found our leader. The kid stepped up in a pressure situation.

All hail to Joey and Shaka!

 

[RAMified]

Yeah, I seem to recall going big was going to solve the rebounding problems. Rob out-rebounded the three of them combined. I guess Shaka knows what he's doing.

"We're probably going to play bigger more," VCU coach Shaka Smart said. "We're going to need to find someone who can go in there and rebound the ball."

 

[VCU4LIFE]

That 2nd quote was from Shaka Morris, tonight we were coached by Shaka Smart.

Shaka, whatever you do, don't read the boards for the rest of your tenure at VCU!

 

[VCU Finance 2008]

VRam just made the head-scratching point on another thread that DJ and David played a combined 22 minutes tonight, and DID NOT RECORD A SINGLE REBOUND. I'll add to that that Reddic played another 14 minutes and totaled 2 boards. That's 36 minutes from the 3 big men and a whopping total of 2 rebounds.

Things that make you say Hmmmmm......

Yeah, I seem to recall going big was going to solve the rebounding problems. Rob out-rebounded the three of them combined. I guess Shaka knows what he's doing.

I would have loved to give the bigs more run as so many suggested and out rebound Drexel tonight, but I just didn't think it would happen. We can't just play the bigs and not have any more rebounding problems. It is not that simple. Every player on the floor has to focus on rebounding. I do like the underclassmen bigs being worked into the rotation as much as their development will allow, but they still have some learning to do. Is it possible that our coaching staff actually knows what they are doing? That can't be right.

 

[VCU Finance 2008]

I typically do not disagree with Pav but I too would like to see Hinton's minutes go to Haley. Haley has a better upside and the only thing holding him back is conditioning and experience.

Hinton will never be more than he is and no he isn't Derrick Reid. Derrick was recruited as a wing and could score some he just never got much better but arrived at a much better place ability wise than Hinton.

As to this game. I think Shaka did a good job adjusting in the second half. I am out of the country and only had the courtesy of 5 minutes of the radio show before it cut off. However, Shaka took our Hinton, and Juvonte replace them with skein and I think Brad. That's when we made our run.

Again, props to the coach. I haven't had much to cheer about with regards to Shaka's gamesmanship but tonight he did his thing.

Also, for all you Joey bashers I think we found our leader. The kid stepped up in a pressure situation.

All hail to Joey and Shaka!

You might be correct that DJ has most potential than Hinton, but I don't believe that Hinton isn't capable of improvement. He has been a practice guy for a while, but this is his first season getting meaningful mins in actual games. How can you write off a sophomore halfway through the season? I also don't think that he is the reason that DJ isn't getting more mins. Looking at him on the bench when he comes out of the game he looks like he is getting about all he can handle. I would rather have 5-10 min of DJ at full throttle than 15+ min of him blown up playing at half speed.

 

[RAMified]

That 2nd quote was from Shaka Morris, tonight we were coached by Shaka Smart.

Really?

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/sports/co ... ar-753214/

Please continue to ignore the facts...

 

[VCU4LIFE]

You might be correct that DJ has most potential than Hinton, but I don't believe that Hinton isn't capable of improvement. He has been a practice guy for a while, but this is his first season getting meaningful mins in actual games. How can you write off a sophomore halfway through the season? I also don't think that he is the reason that DJ isn't getting more mins. Looking at him on the bench when he comes out of the game he looks like he is getting about all he can handle. I would rather have 5-10 min of DJ at full throttle than 15+ min of him blown up playing at half speed.

Very good point.

 

[duncanlamb]

VRam just made the head-scratching point on another thread that DJ and David played a combined 22 minutes tonight, and DID NOT RECORD A SINGLE REBOUND. I'll add to that that Reddic played another 14 minutes and totaled 2 boards. That's 36 minutes from the 3 big men and a whopping total of 2 rebounds.

Things that make you say Hmmmmm......

Yeah, I seem to recall going big was going to solve the rebounding problems. Rob out-rebounded the three of them combined. I guess Shaka knows what he's doing.

I would have loved to give the bigs more run as so many suggested and out rebound Drexel tonight, but I just didn't think it would happen. We can't just play the bigs and not have any more rebounding problems. It is not that simple. Every player on the floor has to focus on rebounding. I do like the underclassmen bigs being worked into the rotation as much as their development will allow, but they still have some learning to do. Is it possible that our coaching staff actually knows what they are doing? That can't be right.

yeah...they know what they are doing...This team more than other reason years is a real puzzle. It's going to take time for smart to figure out how to fit all this talent together. We will have more We won't peak until late february...but that's way it should be..it will be interesting to see how smart uses the bigs against the hawks..

 

[rammad90]

I typically do not disagree with Pav but I too would like to see Hinton's minutes go to Haley. Haley has a better upside and the only thing holding him back is conditioning and experience.

Hinton will never be more than he is and no he isn't Derrick Reid. Derrick was recruited as a wing and could score some he just never got much better but arrived at a much better place ability wise than Hinton.

As to this game. I think Shaka did a good job adjusting in the second half. I am out of the country and only had the courtesy of 5 minutes of the radio show before it cut off. However, Shaka took our Hinton, and Juvonte replace them with skein and I think Brad. That's when we made our run.

Again, props to the coach. I haven't had much to cheer about with regards to Shaka's gamesmanship but tonight he did his thing.

Also, for all you Joey bashers I think we found our leader. The kid stepped up in a pressure situation.

All hail to Joey and Shaka!

You might be correct that DJ has most potential than Hinton, but I don't believe that Hinton isn't capable of improvement. He has been a practice guy for a while, but this is his first season getting meaningful mins in actual games. How can you write off a sophomore halfway through the season? I also don't think that he is the reason that DJ isn't getting more mins. Looking at him on the bench when he comes out of the game he looks like he is getting about all he can handle. I would rather have 5-10 min of DJ at full throttle than 15+ min of him blown up playing at half speed.

Finance I agree with you. My point is I'd rather see Haley get the minutes than Hinton. Hinton has been here 3 years and for all his hustle and good muscle tone he really isn't as good as the rest of the guys. I don't have a problem with Hinton seeing a few minutes but with Juvonte and Haley I'd rather see those minutes used on those fellas.

As to people stating the BIGS being outrebounded? How bad would have it have been if they didn't play. I think as Reddic and Haley play more we will see a closer margin in rebounding. As many of you have stated as these freshman gain minutes and they are coached up in practice that will improve most likely bear fruit in March. Fact is we need to get bigger and we need to rebound. I applaud Shaka's use of the Frosh tonight and look forward to continued progress.

Also, I love Brandeburg but that kid has got to learn to shoot free throws or he will only be a great bencher. A 6'2 slasher cant shoot less than 50% at the charity stipe. I love him he is a high energy guy but his shot selection and free shooting need work. Let's hope the minutes he is getting pay off in the long run because contrary to what many of you would like to believe he isn't ready for prime time just yet. He does show great energy and promise but isn't ready yet on a team that has Joey, Theus, Rozzell, and Nixon all in front of him.

 

[duncanlamb]

I typically do not disagree with Pav but I too would like to see Hinton's minutes go to Haley. Haley has a better upside and the only thing holding him back is conditioning and experience.

Hinton will never be more than he is and no he isn't Derrick Reid. Derrick was recruited as a wing and could score some he just never got much better but arrived at a much better place ability wise than Hinton.

As to this game. I think Shaka did a good job adjusting in the second half. I am out of the country and only had the courtesy of 5 minutes of the radio show before it cut off. However, Shaka took our Hinton, and Juvonte replace them with skein and I think Brad. That's when we made our run.

Again, props to the coach. I haven't had much to cheer about with regards to Shaka's gamesmanship but tonight he did his thing.

Also, for all you Joey bashers I think we found our leader. The kid stepped up in a pressure situation.

All hail to Joey and Shaka!

You might be correct that DJ has most potential than Hinton, but I don't believe that Hinton isn't capable of improvement. He has been a practice guy for a while, but this is his first season getting meaningful mins in actual games. How can you write off a sophomore halfway through the season? I also don't think that he is the reason that DJ isn't getting more mins. Looking at him on the bench when he comes out of the game he looks like he is getting about all he can handle. I would rather have 5-10 min of DJ at full throttle than 15+ min of him blown up playing at half speed.

Finance I agree with you. My point is I'd rather see Haley get the minutes than Hinton. Hinton has been here 3 years and for all his hustle and good muscle tone he really isn't as good as the rest of the guys. I don't have a problem with Hinton seeing a few minutes but with Juvonte and Haley I'd rather see those minutes used on those fellas.

As to the BIGS being outrebounded? How bad would have it have been if they didn't play. I thinks as Reddic and Haley play more we will see a closer margin in rebounding. As many of you state when you defended Shaka's decision not to play them much earlier "they are Freshman". However, as they gain minutes and they are coached up in practice that will improve most likely bear fruit in March. Fact is we need to get bigger and we need to rebound. I applaud Shaka's use of the Frosh tonight and look forward to continued progress.

Also, I love Brandeburg but that kid has got to learn to shoot free throws or he will only be a great bencher. A 6'2 slasher cant shoot less than 50% at the charity stipe. I love him he is a high energy guy but his shot selection and free shooting need work. Let's hope the minutes he is getting pay off in the long run because contrary to what many of you would like to believe he isn't ready for prime time just yet.

As a general rulst, I have never understood why so many college and pro player's can't shoot freethrows??? they play all the time...

 

[VCU Finance 2008]

As to people stating the BIGS being outrebounded? How bad would have it have been if they didn't play. I think as Reddic and Haley play more we will see a closer margin in rebounding. As many of you have stated as these freshman gain minutes and they are coached up in practice that will improve most likely bear fruit in March. Fact is we need to get bigger and we need to rebound. I applaud Shaka's use of the Frosh tonight and look forward to continued progress.

Tonight they did not have a significant impact on rebounding, but I agree with the rest of this. In one of my other posts tonight I said that I would like to see the underclassmen bigs play as much as their development will allow, and I believe that is what they did tonight. We just have to realize that they are developing as is the rest of the team. We will have more ups and downs between now and March, but I am looking forward to seeing how the season turns out for us. I am not against the 4 guard lineup at times, but it seems like it works better for us when we throw it at them at some point during the game and take them by surprise rather than right from the start and letting them adjust to it. It is a lot easier to create turnovers when the opposition is starting to get worn down towards the end of the half/game.