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I quit following the Nuggets when Bones left. When I did follow them I was no fan of Malone. He and George Karl got on my nerves when I followed that team. They have done a poor job since winning that championship. Holmes getting hurt did not help them though.
 
I quit following the Nuggets when Bones left. When I did follow them I was no fan of Malone. He and George Karl got on my nerves when I followed that team. They have done a poor job since winning that championship. Holmes getting hurt did not help them though.
Same. I still wear my Denver skyline hat since deep down it's a VCU hat, but I feel better about putting on the Memphis one.
 
I quit following the Nuggets when Bones left. When I did follow them I was no fan of Malone. He and George Karl got on my nerves when I followed that team. They have done a poor job since winning that championship. Holmes getting hurt did not help them though.
Same.
 
as much as some of you dislike Malone , he was the one coach that gave Bones real playing time

Bones got to figure it out or else his nba career may be past tense

go bones
 
as much as some of you dislike Malone , he was the one coach that gave Bones real playing time

Bones got to figure it out or else his nba career may be past tense

go bones
True, but it is coming out that one of the reasons for his firing was due to locker room issues with how he treated players differently—not the superstars which is expected, but across the team. Also, it is apparently common knowledge that he would single guys out who fell out of favor and really make their lives difficult—even for petty reasons like they were brought in by the GM against his wishes.

That stuff goes on at a lot of places, but apparently Malone occasionally took it to extremes. It seems that Bones’ issues in Denver conincided with Tim Connely’s departure. It’s possible that Malone was never fully on board with the Bones pick, but he respected Connely for good reason. Once Connely left, different situation.
 
True, but it is coming out that one of the reasons for his firing was due to locker room issues with how he treated players differently—not the superstars which is expected, but across the team. Also, it is apparently common knowledge that he would single guys out who fell out of favor and really make their lives difficult—even for petty reasons like they were brought in by the GM against his wishes.

That stuff goes on at a lot of places, but apparently Malone occasionally took it to extremes. It seems that Bones’ issues in Denver conincided with Tim Connely’s departure. It’s possible that Malone was never fully on board with the Bones pick, but he respected Connely for good reason. Once Connely left, different situation.
Malone had a history of heavily favoring the name brand veterans, even if they were worse than some of the younger guys. An article that came out locally this morning talked a lot about Nnaji not getting minutes at the 4 despite being > +150ish points at the 4 and forced to play the 5 for years to favor another player, which he played the 5 at something like > -200 points. Also he 'preferred' to keep Westbrook out there over Christian Braun, despite analytics saying he was dead wrong. The only reason Bones got much run was due to Murray's injury at the time, I don't think Malone had much of a choice in it tbh.
 
True, but it is coming out that one of the reasons for his firing was due to locker room issues with how he treated players differently—not the superstars which is expected, but across the team. Also, it is apparently common knowledge that he would single guys out who fell out of favor and really make their lives difficult—even for petty reasons like they were brought in by the GM against his wishes.

That stuff goes on at a lot of places, but apparently Malone occasionally took it to extremes. It seems that Bones’ issues in Denver conincided with Tim Connely’s departure. It’s possible that Malone was never fully on board with the Bones pick, but he respected Connely for good reason. Once Connely left, different situation.
Kind of what I have been posting since Bones left the team. As stated, people are quick to side with authority instead of thinking about it objectively.

#kindoffiguredthiswasthedeal.
 
Malone had a history of heavily favoring the name brand veterans, even if they were worse than some of the younger guys. An article that came out locally this morning talked a lot about Nnaji not getting minutes at the 4 despite being > +150ish points at the 4 and forced to play the 5 for years to favor another player, which he played the 5 at something like > -200 points. Also he 'preferred' to keep Westbrook out there over Christian Braun, despite analytics saying he was dead wrong. The only reason Bones got much run was due to Murray's injury at the time, I don't think Malone had much of a choice in it tbh.
Then how do you explain Bones not getting much burn playing elsewhere? I get it that Bones is our guys and folks want to point the finger elsewhere for his disappointing NBA career thus far. But at some point if you fail to get promoted at every job you're hired for, you can't keep blaming your supervisors.

Bones obviously has talent and my hope is one day it all comes together for him. But that's going to require him making some changes in his game and his approach to the game as well as landing in the right situation in the right role. There have been way more talented players than Bones who never made it and way less talented players who have had long careers. Talent alone doesn't keep you in the league.
 
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Then how do you explain Bones not getting much burn playing elsewhere? I get it that Bones is our guys and folks want to point the finger elsewhere for his disappointing NBA career thus far. But at some point if you fail to get promoted at every job you're hired for you can't keep blaming your supervisors.

Bones obviously has talent and my hope is one day it all comes together for him. But that's going to require him making some changes in his game and his approach to the game as well as landing in the right situation in the right role. There have been way more talented players than Bones who never made it and way less talented players who have had long careers. Talent alone doesn't keep you in the league.
Based on almost nothing, it looks to me that Bones owns a big share of the responsibility for what happened in Denver. He seemed to glide past "confident" well into "arrogance."

But with a guy as talented as Bones, it is the job of the coaching staff to teach a young player how to adapt to the league and handle success. The rookie doesn't know what he doesn't know. It appeared to me that Malone got annoyed and just washed his hands of the situation, which is a crime from Bones' perspective and from the team's. Whatever one might say about Bones, he is a supremely talented kid, and Malone just let him rot.
 
Based on almost nothing, it looks to me that Bones owns a big share of the responsibility for what happened in Denver. He seemed to glide past "confident" well into "arrogance."

But with a guy as talented as Bones, it is the job of the coaching staff to teach a young player how to adapt to the league and handle success. The rookie doesn't know what he doesn't know. It appeared to me that Malone got annoyed and just washed his hands of the situation, which is a crime from Bones' perspective and from the team's. Whatever one might say about Bones, he is a supremely talented kid, and Malone just let him rot.
More and more, the NBA is getting away from "teaching" and they're expecting players to come in ready to play. If you're not ready, teaching will happen in the G-league. No different than other sports. In football I'm old enough to remember when quarterbacks weren't even expected to get on the field until at least 2-3 years of sitting on the sidelines. Now most quarterbacks who are high draft picks are expected to play either right out the gate or by half way into their rookie year.

NBA teams don't practice nearly as much during the season as they used to, so the old school mentality of teaching rookies is really fading away. Player are expected to do way more independently these days: hiring their own trainers, hiring their own skill development people, hiring their own dietitians, etc. Maybe Malone landed on the extreme end of that spectrum, but I think when today's players decide to join the league early they need to realize they're no longer going to be pampered and groomed like in the old days. NBA teams, especially if they're winning, simply don't have time for it.
 
More and more, the NBA is getting away from "teaching" and they're expecting players to come in ready to play. If you're not ready, teaching will happen in the G-league. No different than other sports. In football I'm old enough to remember when quarterbacks weren't even expected to get on the field until at least 2-3 years of sitting on the sidelines. Now most quarterbacks who are high draft picks are expected to play either right out the gate or by half way into their rookie year.

NBA teams don't practice nearly as much during the season as they used to, so the old school mentality of teaching rookies is really fading away. Player are expected to do way more independently these days: hiring their own trainers, hiring their own skill development people, hiring their own dietitians, etc. Maybe Malone landed on the extreme end of that spectrum, but I think when today's players decide to join the league early they need to realize they're no longer going to be pampered and groomed like in the old days. NBA teams, especially if they're winning, simply don't have time for it.
Living in Denver and watching up close both Malone and Bones bear the blame. Malone simply does not like young players and does not trust them unless they can play really good defense (witness Braun who basically made bones dispensable). Bones was an offensive juggernaut but a defensive liability. You are absolutely right thinking the modern NBA expects players, other than stars, to come in, accept their role and sit until they are ready to “behave”. The irony is Denver really needed Bones and still do on offense for the second team. Westbrook is wildly inconsistent whereas Bones could ignite the second team even while he was sometimes clueless on defense. Malone got fired for not figuring out how to integrate young players more effectively so yes the blame is shared.
 
Then how do you explain Bones not getting much burn playing elsewhere? I get it that Bones is our guys and folks want to point the finger elsewhere for his disappointing NBA career thus far. But at some point if you fail to get promoted at every job you're hired for you can't keep blaming your supervisors.

Bones obviously has talent and my hope is one day it all comes together for him. But that's going to require him making some changes in his game and his approach to the game as well as landing in the right situation in the right role. There have been way more talented players than Bones who never made it and way less talented players who have had long careers. Talent alone doesn't keep you in the league.
Acknowledging Malone didn't like playing people newer to the league was a point beyond just Bones. I also pointed out that Bones only really got much run here because Murray was injured....
 
Acknowledging Malone didn't like playing people newer to the league was a point beyond just Bones. I also pointed out that Bones only really got much run here because Murray was injured....
That's not exactly true. Go through Malone's coaching history and you'll see plenty of evidence of him playing rookies and newer players extensive minutes. In 2013-14 in Sacramento he played rookie Ben McLemore all 82 games, started him in 55 games, averaged 27 minutes per game. That season he also played 2nd year play Isaiah Thomas 72 games, starting 54 averaging 35 minutes per game. His first year in Denver he played 19 year old rookie Emmanuel Mudiay 68 games, starting 66 averaging 30+ minutes per game. That same year he gave burn to an overweight 20 year old 2nd round draft pick name Nikola Jokić playing him 80 games, starting 55 of them averaging 22 minutes per game.

Here's the bottom line, NO COACH likes playing inexperienced players. Especially players indifferent to playing defense. Especially coaches of playoff teams (Denver won 47 games and made it to the 2nd round the year before Bones arrived).

Then throw in the fact that Boogie Cousins (notorious coach killer) was only 23 years old and in his third season when Malone coached him and he swears by Malone and calls him "his guy" and was upset when Malone was let go in Sacramento.
 
Then how do you explain Bones not getting much burn playing elsewhere? I get it that Bones is our guys and folks want to point the finger elsewhere for his disappointing NBA career thus far. But at some point if you fail to get promoted at every job you're hired for you can't keep blaming your supervisors.

Bones obviously has talent and my hope is one day it all comes together for him. But that's going to require him making some changes in his game and his approach to the game as well as landing in the right situation in the right role. There have been way more talented players than Bones who never made it and way less talented players who have had long careers. Talent alone doesn't keep you in the league.
No one ever said Bones was a Saint. Just that, the situation in Denver may not have been his fault.

Also, once a guy gets a label its tough for people to believe it want their fault. Kind of like you in this case. You keep making the narrative that it was on Bones, even with some evidence that it may not have been. I guess that’s how Ramily treats Ramily.

Oh if Bones was really a head case I think that the guy who drafted him or was instrumental in his being drafted would never have added him to their roster. However, there he is in Minnesota
 
not sure anyone is saying Bones is a head case. I think most of us would say that Bones has one strength in that he can score. other parts of his game are what are holding him back

but what a few of us are saying is that Bones is two and half years removed from Denver. At each successive stop he is getting less and less playing time then he got in Denver.

Add in that every team in the NBA could have claimed him after the Hawks released him or traded for him when he was with the Nuggets and then the Clippers and both of those teams were willing to trade Bones

everyone here woud love to see Bones succeed but the facts of where Bones is at this juncture in his career is that he is not getting any regular minutes in any teams rotation

the only person that can make this change is Bones - every year 30-45 talented players are drafted and end up on team's rosters - that is Bones' competition to stay in the Show.

will be interesting to see if Timberwolves have him on their playoff roster ( don't know if he is injured but last few games he did not appear on 15 man box score for wolves, in fact last game he appeared was like early April 3 I believe for mop up 2 minutes )
 
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