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I'm honestly a little shocked CHN has NU at 4. I had thought most people had them top 2. Pretty shocking. I guess they have Mason and VCU ahead but that's projecting quite a bit of hope on both of those two teams.

Mason is really talented but exceptionally young and VCU has such serious questions that i find it really hard to place them top 3. I'd honestly place JMU ahead of VCU at this point.

Here's why: VCU has a new coach, a new system, no real point guard(I don't really consider J-rod a true PG and I think he's a guy who will get abused without Maynor). It's also hard to put faith in a freshmen point guard such as Grayson or Theus.

Don't get me wrong I buy whole heartedly into the Larry Sanders hype but Larry's not a particularly smart player in terms of basketball IQ. He absolutely cannot afford to get into foul trouble as much as he did last year. The other issue with that VCU team is they probably lead the league in technical fouls, they cannot afford to lose their head. Let me give you an example between Krill and Sanders they fouled out a combined 15 times(7 times for Krill 8 times for Sanders). I also get that Gavin and Skeen are supposed to be impact transfers but I don't put much faith in hype for transfers because you never really know how good a guy is going to be in the CAA until we see them on the court against similar competition.

Finally most importantly they lost their leader in Eric Maynor. I don't know where the leadership on that team is going to come from. My personal thinking is to say that I think it's reckless preseason to put them ahead of NU same with mason although I understand at least some of the thinking behind it.
 
yep..nobody thought VCU would win 3 years ago or two or last year...
VCU 4th in the CAA?...I would take some of that action.
 
redsoxn2004 said:
I'm honestly a little shocked CHN has NU at 4. I had thought most people had them top 2. Pretty shocking. I guess they have Mason and VCU ahead but that's projecting quite a bit of hope on both of those two teams.

Mason is really talented but exceptionally young and VCU has such serious questions that i find it really hard to place them top 3. I'd honestly place JMU ahead of VCU at this point.

Here's why: VCU has a new coach, a new system, no real point guard(I don't really consider J-rod a true PG and I think he's a guy who will get abused without Maynor). It's also hard to put faith in a freshmen point guard such as Grayson or Theus.

Don't get me wrong I buy whole heartedly into the Larry Sanders hype but Larry's not a particularly smart player in terms of basketball IQ. He absolutely cannot afford to get into foul trouble as much as he did last year. The other issue with that VCU team is they probably lead the league in technical fouls, they cannot afford to lose their head. Let me give you an example between Krill and Sanders they fouled out a combined 15 times(7 times for Krill 8 times for Sanders). I also get that Gavin and Skeen are supposed to be impact transfers but I don't put much faith in hype for transfers because you never really know how good a guy is going to be in the CAA until we see them on the court against similar competition.

Finally most importantly they lost their leader in Eric Maynor. I don't know where the leadership on that team is going to come from. My personal thinking is to say that I think it's reckless preseason to put them ahead of NU same with mason although I understand at least some of the thinking behind it.


You guys ever gonna make DHD atleast read only?
 
Ramdog said:
yep..nobody thought VCU would win 3 years ago or two or last year...
VCU 4th in the CAA?...I would take some of that action.

Um weren't you the preseason favorites last year?
 
No offense, but since GMU's Final Four Appearance, the CAA has been VCU and everyone else. In addition, you guys have never won anything in the CAA. It shouldn't be a shock that basketball experts pick us ahead of you.
 
Um weren't you the preseason favorites last year?

Cant really say...this is not the odu board so off season victories ,or preseason guesses don’t concern me...now regular season & post season.... now that interests me
 
Ramdog your assertion was nobody thought we would win last year. Well obviously SOMEONE did in that VCU was predicted to win the league in the coaches/media poll. In fact the last two years the coaches/media have predicted VCU to be first. So to play the victim "oh no one thought we were going to win" card is kinda ridiculous.

http://vcuathletics.tv/mbb/0809results/CAA-Poll-1022.php

Second Vram keep some perspective here: You guys have had an amazing run here with maynor, don't get an overinflated ego about winning a few years in a row. BTW NU may not have won a title in the CAA yet but they darn sure are consistent we're one of I believe 3 teams(ODU, and Mason being the others) since NU joined the CAA to be .500 or better. It's simply a matter of time before we win a basketball title.
 
So to play the victim "oh no one thought we were going to win" card is kinda ridiculous.

Victim...I though we were talking about mid -level D1 basketball here.

Let me be a little more direct for you small thinkers...I could give a crap what you or any other CAA fan thinks about who may win. I just know who did win. I am about results not predictions. Take you stupid comments to the zone and argue with the other idiots...I think tmac dumbass is waiting for you there.
 
redsoxn2004 said:
Second Vram keep some perspective here: You guys have had an amazing run here with maynor, don't get an overinflated ego about winning a few years in a row.

Let's put it in perspective. We've won 3 of the last 6 CAA Titles, we've won 4 of the last 6 regular season titles and we've been in 4 of the last 6 CAA Championship games. NU, on the other hand, has never won a title, never won a regular season championship, and has never been to a Championship game. In addition, neither has any other former AE team. Further, we have a player that is projected to be a #1 NBA pick and who is on the Preseason Wooden Award list, two things that are pretty rare in CAA land. There are plenty of reasons to go with us.
 
vcubanana said:
VRam said:
Further, we have a player that is projected to be a #1 NBA pick.
Did you mean #1 NBA pick, or first round pick?

First round. Of course, if he sticks around for 4 years, you never know. :lol:
 
this CHN outfit is kinda hit and miss

they pegged us to win the league and be the 48th ranked team... we won the league and ended with an RPI ranked 51st ...not a bad prediction at all

they picked the 'narchs third and ranked them 83rd... they came in third and ended with an rpi ranked 81st ...pretty darn close as well

but then they didn't do as well with Mason, who they picked to come in 4th and ranked 102nd.... the pats came in 2nd and had an rpi ranked 53rd

so obviously they also got 2nd place wrong too... picking Northeastern there and ranking them 69th, while the huskies finished 4th and with an rpi ranked 84th

they also picked...
Ga St. 5th/148 (actual 8th/230)
Hoftra 6th/159 (actual 5th/102)
Delaware 7th/177 (actual 9th/222)
UNCW 8th/193 (actual 12th/273)
W&M 9th/218 (actual 11th/238)
Drexel 10th/245 (actual 6th/134)
JMU 11th/267 (actual 7th/122)
Towson 12th/289 (actual 10th/216)
 
Ramdog your original comment was that no one thought you would win, but in fact for the last two years the coaches poll had you at number 1 so to say I'm thinking small here is false and frankly insulting.

Vram I absolutely agree you guys have had big time success in the last few years but your questions for this season are far more overwhelming in my personal opinion then NU's.(new coach/new system /Chemistry/losing your team leader in maynor) Having Sanders is a huge help no doubt about it. Sanders absoutely needs to learn to play smarter and we'll know more by the time CAA play starts.

As for the tournament, there is a definite advantage for VCU to play in Richmond. I know thats a tired subject but almost all the northern teams have to travel pretty significantly to get to the tournament. It is absolutely an issue for the teams in the north and will continue to be until we find a more central location that makes the tournament equitable and fair for all teams. It's something that both players and coaches have major gripes about. Many coaches will say we'll play the games as they come but it's an issue for AD's and coaches and will likely be addressed when this contract with Richmond comes up.

As to NU we've been the league for 6 years and we had to rebuild the program from scratch after Everhart took everything including Shawn James(who pound for pound was much better offensively then Sanders was at this stage, defensively they were very similar players), Coen's done one helluva job rebuilding the program and I'm absolutely really proud of what we've been able to accomplish but we're not on VCU's level yet in terms of recruiting or respectability in the basketball world. I think that's a credit to your AD and the ability of the fan base to support the team but we're slowly but surely working our way up, and hopefully this year we end the "AE team" drought.
 
redsoxn2004 said:
As for the tournament, there is a definite advantage for VCU to play in Richmond. I know thats a tired subject but almost all the northern teams have to travel pretty significantly to get to the tournament. It is absolutely an issue for the teams in the north and will continue to be until we find a more central location that makes the tournament equitable and fair for all teams. It's something that both players and coaches have major gripes about. Many coaches will say we'll play the games as they come but it's an issue for AD's and coaches and will likely be addressed when this contract with Richmond comes up.

Just when you thought you'd left all the cry babies on the 'Zone...
you want unfair? ok how's this... we had to play Rutgers on thier HOME COURT in the NCAAs on the women's side, and had our men beat UCLA and played Villanova in the second round, we would have had to play them on a court that they actually use at times during the season!

Also, think of it this way, your team has just as many opportunities to play in the Richmond Coliseum as we do, if not more when you factor in playing on Friday. The only advantage I see is getting more of our fans in the building. The players/coaches are forced to stay in a hotel just like the other 11 teams. They don't sleep in their own beds as everyone claims. Sure, they might know a better place to get breakfast than the hotel lobby... but c'mon, give it a rest. If you really think the fans make that much of a difference, then get your hockey pals to give a darn about your other teams.

Another thought, how do you think GSU and UNCW would feel if you moved it to a "more central location", or in the terms that you meant to say, farther north. Now, if you are thinking DC area, this would constitute as GMU's home area, and you'd be griping about their advantage. Face it, the tournament HAS to be played near SOMEONE's school, and the CAA will make sure that it is a school that gives a darn about basketball. GMU would get the same advantage of fans by having it in DC. A move east or west doesn't really make any sense (it will anger or give your so called advantage to either JMU or ODU.)
If you really want it moved WAAYYY up north, the only thing I can tell you is get BIG TIME money. You'll have to recouperate the losses in ticketsales due to everyone being at a hockey game, you'll have to make up for the tv contract that was cut due to how pitiful the attendance looked on tv. Start digging for some big time dollars.

Something else for you to consider: NU and HU (and any other team that flies in for the CAA's; GSU perhaps? not sure on them) probably have it EASIER than a Drexel or Delaware or UNC-W that have anywhere between 3-6 hours on the buses. (By the way, UNC-W has done fairly well in recent memory in Richmond.)

Richmond makes sense, and here's why.
-Every school, save maybe Wilmington, that would take a bus has easy access to either I-64 or I-95, which happen to intersect in Richmond.
-You have 5 schools in VA. Clearly to make the most money on ticket sales, it should be in or VERY close to VA. a rough estimate of the center of those 5 schools? Richmond.
-The CAA offices are in Richmond, makes sense to hold the tournament near home office. (Maybe the A-10 (or 13, 16, 8, whatever it is!) should move their tournament to Richmond too, with their offices here, and a host school, it makes sense!)
-This IS the ticket in Richmond. There's nothing for the CAA's to compete with. Some areas have hockey, others have other types of basketball going on. If you're looking for a sporting event in Richmond, that IS your option, which leads to more ticket sales and the all mighty dollar.
-Your annual attendance leaders (I have no solid facts here, but just seem to recall this to be true, correct me if I'm off base) are probably ODU, GMU, and VCU. It is VERY clear at the tournament that those are your top 3. As a marketing plan, you know you'll sell more tickets if you have the tournament as close to your top groups as possible. It is about 2 hours Richmond - Fairfax(GMU), likewise Richmond to Norfolk(ODU). I'd estimate 3 1/2 to 4 hours (never had to make this trip) Fairfax - Norfolk. Now take those numbers and minimize travel for your top 3 while holding the event at a host school.
-@ ODU: VCU Travel - 2 hours. GMU Travel - 3.5 hours. Total = 5.5 hours.
-@ GMU: VCU Travel - 2 hours. ODU Travel - 3.5 hours. Total = 5.5 hours.
-@ VCU: ODU Travel - 2 hours. GMU Travel - 2 hours. Total = 4 hours.
-given this info, the shortest travel time for the top 3 schools would have the host city as Richmond, and even so, I doubt you'd be happy with the CAA's in any of these three cities, save maybe Fairfax. You ought to be thankful we aren't like the leagues that play the entire conference tournament on the top seed's home court. At least they make us play on an unfamiliar court/arena. I garuntee you we wouldn't have lost to W&M in 08 playing at home.

To me, it just makes sense as a business plan to hold the CAA's in Richmond. Sure, it probably sucks as a diehard fan of the other 11 schools, everyone would LOVE to have the CAA's in their city. I don't blame them for being bitter. I just blame them for crying about it without thinking it through.

.../rant

Sorry for the winded post!
 
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