Expansion of Big Dance done deal?

if this is true, and i certainly hope it is not, this is awful news.
 
I don't even like it at 65 (play-in is pointless), but I guess a 68 wouldn't really change much (4 play-ins). 96 would be absurd.
 
Mercury said:
96 would kill college basketball
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You really think adding one round will kill college basketball? I think that anything that involves the NIT would be a good start. As is, the NIT is pretty useless. Looks okay on banners, I guess.

Change is uncomfortable. The tournament, as is, is a great setup, but I'd be willing to listen. I'm sure there were unhappy people when the tournament jumped from 48 to 64 teams. I'm not saying I support it yet, I'd just like to see what an expanded tournament has to offer.

Devil's advocate.

Currently, 65 teams make the NCAA Tournament out of 347 schools sponsoring Division I basketball
That's 19 percent

In the NFL, 12 teams make the playoffs out of 32: 38%
NBA, 16 of 30: 53%
MLB: 8 of 30, 27%
NHL: They still have a league?
 
The only way I support this is if they guarantee that all League Champions get a bye through the play-in round. Force the at-larges to play in the opening round.

This however will never happen, instead teams 65-96 will mostly be made up of 20 or so mid-major league champions, along with 10 major teams with .500 records, duking it out to make it into the real tournament, probably at home sites. It's just another way to push the little guys down, eliminating even more of them before the BCS tournament starts.
 
Currently, 65 teams make the NCAA Tournament out of 347 schools sponsoring Division I basketball
That's 19 percent

In the NFL, 12 teams make the playoffs out of 32: 38%
NBA, 16 of 30: 53%
MLB: 8 of 30, 27%
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not sure if it's the point you are arguing, but this is a perfect example of why college basketball is the greatest sport on the planet. you have to have done something special to make the tournament, whether it be a great all-around season, or a red hot weekend in the conference tourney.

let ncaa football, nfl, and nba reward .500 teams with postseason berths. i'll take watching that 19% any day of the week.

adding another round may not kill college basketball, but in my opinion it is taking the sport down a very dangerous path.

NHL: They still have a league?
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try watching the nhl playoffs sometime. it is extremely exciting.
 
MY EXAMPLE OF 96 BIDS:

If the conferences want the "regular season" to have more importance - they can stop inviting everybody to their own post season tourneys. Only invite the top eight schools. You have to finish in the top eight to qualify for post season (that would break up the Big East Megaconference!).

The NCAA would then not consider anyone that did not make their "own" post season tourney.

Have only automatic bids and have them the same every year with only where the conferences finish by the 1st of February determine where they rank and consequently how many bids they will get. The February games including conference tourney games will help determine individual school rankings.

conferences ranked 1-6 get automatic 6 bids
conferences ranked 7-11 get automatic 5 bids
conferences ranked 12-14 get automatic 4 bids
conferences ranked 15-16 get automatic 3 bids
conferences ranked 17-18 get automatic 2 bids
conferences ranked 19-31 get automatic 1 bid

Each conference will decide on February 2nd the formula for how they will distribute their bids - so no one can blame the NCAA for not getting in.
 
buckwheat said:
Currently, 65 teams make the NCAA Tournament out of 347 schools sponsoring Division I basketball
That's 19 percent

In the NFL, 12 teams make the playoffs out of 32: 38%
NBA, 16 of 30: 53%
MLB: 8 of 30, 27%
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not sure if it's the point you are arguing, but this is a perfect example of why college basketball is the greatest sport on the planet. you have to have done something special to make the tournament, whether it be a great all-around season, or a red hot weekend in the conference tourney.

let ncaa football, nfl, and nba reward .500 teams with postseason berths. i'll take watching that 19% any day of the week.

adding another round may not kill college basketball, but in my opinion it is taking the sport down a very dangerous path.

NHL: They still have a league?
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try watching the nhl playoffs sometime. it is extremely exciting.
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The only league really rewarding a high level of mediocrity out of that group is the NBA, IMO. For what it's worth, the state of Indiana was lauded for years for including every school in its state playoffs (see also, Hoosiers). It's a matter of perspective. I think you'd argue that the '07-08 VCU team deserved more NCAA consideration. Hopefully, an expanded tournament would allow for that.

Ideally, I'd like to see the field stay the way it is. I'm just saying, I'm willing to consider it. I think that there are enough quality teams to support a 96-team field. My hope is that leagues like the CAA and MVC benefit from this. If not, I'm not sure I'm interested.

And yes, the NHL playoffs are exciting. I like making jokes sometimes.
 
BigE said:
MY EXAMPLE OF 96 BIDS:

If the conferences want the "regular season" to have more importance - they can stop inviting everybody to their own post season tourneys. Only invite the top eight schools. You have to finish in the top eight to qualify for post season (that would break up the Big East Megaconference!).

The NCAA would then not consider anyone that did not make their "own" post season tourney.

Have only automatic bids and have them the same every year with only where the conferences finish by the 1st of February determine where they rank and consequently how many bids they will get. The February games including conference tourney games will help determine individual school rankings.

conferences ranked 1-6 get automatic 6 bids
conferences ranked 7-11 get automatic 5 bids
conferences ranked 12-14 get automatic 4 bids
conferences ranked 15-16 get automatic 3 bids
conferences ranked 17-18 get automatic 2 bids
conferences ranked 19-31 get automatic 1 bid

Each conference will decide on February 2nd the formula for how they will distribute their bids - so no one can blame the NCAA for not getting in.
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If they do expand, I wouldn't expect the process to change much, if at all. The only potential wrinkle I can forsee is if they decide to include the NIT in some fashion.
 
Forget expansion, I say CONTRACTION!

Back to 32 teams.

31 conference champions.

Let the at large candidates duke it out in the NIT to get to be the 32nd team.

All leagues get an equal cut of the $.

Gives more meaning to the conference championships.
 
Forget expansion, I say CONTRACTION!

Back to 32 teams.

31 conference champions.

Let the at large candidates duke it out in the NIT to get to be the 32nd team.

All leagues get an equal cut of the $.

Gives more meaning to the conference championships.
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but that setup would make the regular season virtually meaningless. i love the fact that huge OOC wins and a solid conference record could be rewarded with an at-large down the road.

i think 65 is just fine. it's beyond me why anyone would want to tinker with this tournament. i just don't get it....check that, i do know why. revenue for the bcs.
 
Ok then, get rid of conference tournaments, and give the regular season champ the auto bid. Then let the 32 other good teams duke it out in a free for all NIT birth and a chance to keep playing :)

It worked for CCNY in 1950 ;)
 
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