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Natty

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Now that I have your attention...(you freaks), check out Techsideline.com if you want a real laugh. Talk about a fan base drinking the Haterade...

I hope we never schedule those guys, let them continue to schedule Mt. Saint Union Women's College and eventually bow out in the second or third round of the NIT every year.
 
Talk about a bait and switch.

That format they have is painful to try to read. I assume they do it to get more hits since you have to open 10 pages to read one thread. I wouldn't mind playing them but I doubt it will ever happen. I'll be happy to watch Mason blow them out at home though.
 
northernvatiger said:
I've said it a few other times -- Tech needs us more than we need them.

As much time as people spend on our boards talking about them I can't tell. A H&H with Tech would be good for both of us.
 
Natty you know I respect you as much as anyone out there...

but this thread just seems like mindless shaking of the hornets' nest. VT is an in-state rival and they're still bitter about their (rightful, in my opinion) snub from the Dance. I'm not surprised at all that a number of their fans are happy to see us lose.
 
DCDuck said:
Natty you know I respect you as much as anyone out there...

but this thread just seems like mindless shaking of the hornets' nest. VT is an in-state rival and they're still bitter about their (rightful, in my opinion) snub from the Dance. I'm not surprised at all that a number of their fans are happy to see us lose.

plus, it's not as if there weren't plenty of us (myself included) cackling over both their being left out, and their loss to Wichita St
 
Natty... you got me. What a tease... this thread is like saying "For a good time, shove an overgrown pineapple up your a$$! It's both pleasurable and fun!"

Boooooo Tech and their horribly annoying fans.
 
I didnt think it was so bad --most of them respect what we did and realize what they have to do to get there. I saw the same on GMU and ODU boards-a few of their fans rooted against us- didnt hurt us a bit now did it?
 
Yeah, that was a laugher. There seemed to be a few "sympathizers", but by and large, there's a lot of vitriol against the Rams in Hokie Country.

The thing that irked me the most is this excerpt from the article by the TSL person:

http://www.techsideline.com/news_archiv ... e-5828.php

Two years ago, VCU didn't lock Grant up with a huge contract, despite Grant's CAA accomplishments at VCU outweighing Smart's. When the time came for Grant to move on, Alabama offered $1.8 million, and VCU let him go.

What this guy doesn't understand is that different people are motivated by different things and that VCU values its people. Yes, I agree that Grant and Smart had different achievements during their tenures. However, Florida came calling after the first season with the airplane on the tarmac and the checkbook wide open, and all Grant had done was won a CAA championship and beat Duke. That's all he did, and he got a very serious look from Florida.

Furthermore, when Alabama came later in the third year, they offered $1.8mil or whatever it was, and Grant took it. He rode the coattails of Eric Maynor and Capel's recruits to the big paycheck, and he left. It's not that we let him go- we offered what we could, which was still a very substantial amount of money, but we couldn't match $1.8mil. Make no mistake about it- we wanted to keep Grant. We didn't let him go without a fight, but we just couldn't match Alabama's offer and apparently, we couldn't match Grant's expectations, either. Grant took the money and all the trappings, both tangible and intangible, that come with it- fame, fortune, playing at an allegedly higher level of competition, pressure to succeed, unreasonable fans, constant threat of being fired for the lack of meeting expectations, the whole enchilada.

Now we come to Shaka Smart. NCSU reportedly offered $2mil for 5 years- again, a substantial amount of money that comes with the same if not higher degree of tangibles and intangibles listed previously. We will not now or anytime in the near future be able to compensate someone so richly so quickly. Shaka is a very intelligent man- he knows the difference between the two jobs and he can be very comfortable here achieving the same success (already proven) that VT or UVA or any other so-called high major school covets. Here he can have job stability, program support for things like conditioning, facilities, recruiting, etc. and a fan base that largely will support the program in a positive way. (I imagine that last element will change if we start losing big/ racking up losses.) But it's highly evident to me that Shaka values different things than Grant. They are two different people, and I am ecstatic about that.

Now let's talk about what it means to be a VCU Mens Basketball Head Coach from a compensation standpoint. The amount of money being bandied around is not about the position itself but what the individual brings to the table. We will not always land a person who is worth over a million dollars right off the bat. The next individual will probably not be paid that amount of money on a multi-year contract. The position itself for a new coach with appropriate qualifications coming in is now probably worth in the 400k to 600k (my own estimation) based on current expectations, levels of support, etc.

And tell me, Mr. TSL, who's more desperate? VCU or NCSU for offering much more for the same achievements? We're not desperate to turn a program around and win - we've been winning all along. All we're trying to do is reward a man for doing something that's never been done before, for continuing our winning ways, and to keep him here while recognizing his worth as a coach, a representative of the university, and a person.
 
Well as the guy says, he doesn't know anything about CAA basketball. It really boils down to who would you rather have coach your team. I bet Shaka would not only win a poll here, but on the Hokie boards. The results speak for themselves. Final 4 verses one NCAA appearance in the 9(?) seasons Seth has coached in Blacksburg. At least we are getting our money's worth.
 
is getting paid $1.2 million after just two years at VCU for showing promise as a young coach after three exciting weeks, while Greenberg is getting paid about $1.2 million a year after eight years at VT for bringing Virginia Tech up out of the dumps and making them a competitive team in the ACC. Seth's ascension in pay, from $450k when he was hired to $1.2 million now, has been gradual.

Smart is a shooting star, while Greenberg is a plugger. It will be interesting to see where the two of them are in five or ten years.
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Tech is a football school. I would rather have a shot at a consistently good ACC team than waste our time pandering to a bunch of whiners.
 
Greenberg has been coaching 21 years and Shaka has 5 times as many NCAA tournament wins as Seth. Also Anthony Grant has the same number of NCAA wins and a equal number of conference championships in 5 years of coaching.

Maybe the issue isn't how much Grant or Shaka are getting paid, but how much Greenberg is getting.
 
yodude said:
Tech is a football school. I would rather have a shot at a consistently good ACC team than waste our time pandering to a bunch of whiners.

Duke and UNC would only agree to play us at their place. Maryland wouldn't play us if we were the last team on the planet (we make Gary Williams' abject disrespect for mid-majors look downright foolish).

Wake is awful now, and in my estimation, will be as long as Jeff Bzedlik is head coach. NC State is at least two years away from being competitive. Miami (FL) has always been consistently mediocre, but that might change now that Frank Haith is gone. The same can be said of Boston College and Georgia Tech. They have never been consistently strong programs.

That leaves Clemson and Florida State. Incidentally, those are the two programs most likely to agree to home-and-homes with us (though I suspect neither would agree to such an arrangement). I like FSU more than Clemson because Brad Brownell is a first-year coach who got to the dance with Oliver Purnell's players. I'm still waiting to see if he can get ACC-level talent to commit to a football school in a state that has strong mid-major programs (CoCharleston, Winthrop, Coastal Carolina).
 
I'm don't want to add to Greenberg vs. Smart comparison's, as comparing any two coaches/programs/schools involves too many variables...and usually comes down to personalities, which can be as much personal preference as actual performance. The one odd thing to me the past few years regarding Greenberg is his talk implying some sort of coordinated effort to exclude Tech from the tournament--just really odd. I guess big disappointment makes for big speculation?

I do believe Tech did deserve to be in the dance this year...but I was equally suprised by the previous year's snubbing of VCU for the NIT [both seemed odd, but there will always be 3 to 5 teams every year that can make very valid arguements for being tournament worthy]. The thing that baffles me about Tech is that over the recent years of Tech's "close calls" Greenberg still appears intent on pursuing a weak OOC schedule, which is why his RPI and buble status is always floating in the wind. That is certainly something he controls,much more so than a non-BCS school. I am baffled why Tech fans continue to allow it? VCU has to work it's butt off to get quality OOC teams to play them and Tech appears to me to go-out-of-its-way to avoid playing strong OOC teams, which would be simple for them now that they have ACC initials on their uniforms.

Tech has a great incoming recruiting class, as well as UVA--both much better than VCU. Maybe now that VCU has lost 4 seniors and they are feeling good about their recruiting classes they may consider a home-and-home series? Would be great for all bb fans in VA. If it doesn't happen...I lose no sleep.
 
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