For Funsies: Conference Reallignment/Creation

Wolfpack Ram said:
Here's what I found from 2007 regarding A-10 scheduling requirements. This was from a school message board back then.

"In a vote taken in January among the league’s coaches and athletic directors, the A-10 divided its 14 teams into three “like groups.” It then set up guidelines for each group, which the league has not made public.

Two other keys to the new scheduling rules, according to sources: Teams in the top group cannot schedule any non-conference opponent with an RPI greater than 200. Teams in URI’s middle grouping can’t schedule anyone with an RPI greater than 250. A glaring flaw in that rule is the RPI used is taken from the end of the 2006-07 season, and the success of teams in college basketball can change drastically from one year to the next.

Also, the A-10 prefers that its teams play in competitive holiday tournaments and set up quality home-and-home series instead of scheduling “guarantee” games."

Below is the link.

hoyatalk2.proboards.com

New A-10 scheduling guidelines | HoyaTalk

Projo: Kevin McNamara ...some interesting stuff here - if the Big East
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Why would you allow worse teams to schedule worse opponents? Set a conference floor and hen have an exception process. For Example, Richmond played a Kenpom #4 Auburn so you allow them a game below the conference threshold
 
enonram said:
The A10 is quickly becoming the CAA. A Big East invite is not coming. The P4 have conspired to turn everyone else in D1 MBB into a recruiting pipeline for the highest bidder in P4 and subjugate us all to the NIT. What if the BE decides to expand and take two schools and VCU is not one of them. Then we’re really stuck in something rotten. The A10 becomes weaker by subtraction. Dayton, Saint Louis and Loyola-Chicago all face the same risk VCU does. Now is the time to become proactive.

Here is what I propose. First and foremost, every program involved must agree to a revenue sharing program. It should be set up with a tenured approach to payout of shared revenue. Every player would earn 10% of his share for playing one year; this would grow to 30% after two years; 60% after three years, and 100% after 4 years. If a player thinks he could earn more transferring to P4, go, good luck, but you’re leaving money on the table. Money left would be added back into the revenue sharing for players that stay. Maybe we get back to four-year players staying at one school.

Second, for inclusion in this alliance of programs, I left out of consideration: the P4, the Big East, the Ivy League, and all schools playing FBS. Football is where the money is at.

Third, only programs from the Midwest to the East Coast were considered. Programs were selected by their average Kenpom rating over the last three years with more weight put on 2025, then 2024 and then 2023. A huge assumption was that every program would be agreeable as to not wanting to be left behind.

24 programs were selected. A top 12 tier and a lower 12 tier. There would be relegation starting year 3. If a program in the top tier finished in the bottom four positions for three consecutive years, they would relegate down as long as there were teams in the bottom tier that finished in the top four positions for three consecutive years.

Here are the 24 programs Tier 1 and Tier 2 –

Tier 1

VCU, Drake, Dayton, Bradley, George Mason, Saint Joseph’s, Samford, UNCW, Duquesne, Belmont, Charleston, Lipscomb

Tier 2

Chattanooga, Indiana St, N. Iowa, Loyola-Chi., St. Bona., High Point, Furman, Wichita St., Davidson, UNCG, Saint Louis, Towson

Every team would play every team in their tier home and away, 22 games. Four games against the other tier, 2 home, 2 away, 26 total games.

Remaining games could be 1 MTE and a rivalry or tune-up first game; 30 total games.

The top 16 teams over both tiers, based on some metric like Kenpom, would play a double-elimination tournament.

There becomes greater separation between this new alliance and the conferences that are left. The A10 would lose 9 teams, MVC 5, CAC 3, SC 4, American, Asun and Big South 1 each. All these conferences become weaker by subtraction, making the alliance a more favorable league for players not going P4 or BE.

The Alliance would handle all revenue sharing payouts.

If this were successful and later the BE wanted to join, the Alliance could and them and two more teams to form a third tier.
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I don't know how realistic it is, but this is a very intriguing idea.
 
TampaKAP said:
Why would you allow worse teams to schedule worse opponents? Set a conference floor and hen have an exception process. For Example, Richmond played a Kenpom #4 Auburn so you allow them a game below the conference threshold
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There was some science to it. They wanted some of the lesser teams to pad their win total a bit so they are coming into conference play without a pile of losses even if their SOS is terrible. Then the teams that have at large aspirations need to play an at large worthy schedule and win the games. It is tricky setting conference wide guidelines but it seems that they have just given up on it all together which is certainly not the right approach.
 
TampaKAP said:
You dont need 100% of the members to vote. It’s 3/4 or somewhere there about. So yes, Fordham and La Salle want vote for it but we dont need them to do so
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You are more plugged in than I. Do you think the league could get 75% to agree on a meaningful salary cap threshold?
 
Mercury said:
But what can she realistically do? She can make all the suggestions she wants but nobody is going to get voted out at the end of the day.
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We can set a minimum investment requirement in athletics and MBB in particular that the smaller private can’t match.

I spoke about it in another thread but I saw a list of the worst of financial universities in D1 (used to explain Saint Francis leaving for D3) and LaSalle was in the bottom 15. Absolutely shambolic.
 
opinions on what ed said about co terence changes in his breakaway interview on the martelli press conference? on how it relates to vcu?
 
ramluvr99 said:
opinions on what ed said about co terence changes in his breakaway interview on the martelli press conference? on how it relates to vcu?
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I haven't heard that particular one but Ed went into detail in his interview with Adam Epstein on Awadd Radio. He uploaded that to his podcast page:

 
ramluvr99 said:
opinions on what ed said about co terence changes in his breakaway interview on the martelli press conference? on how it relates to vcu?
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Basically he said no one knows what conferences will look like in 5 years and that the goal of the Athletic Department at VCU is to get us in the best basketball centric conference.

Can’t really argue with his first point. Unfortunately his second point is somewhat out of our control.
 
Mercury said:
You are more plugged in than I. Do you think the league could get 75% to agree on a meaningful salary cap threshold?
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That is a legitimate question. So we are talking 11 teams. With UMass leaving there are only tw original members left
  1. Duquesne just did a nice renovation on there facilities and seem to be invested so I see them as a Yes
  2. George Washington the other original members is a very strong maybe in my opinion
  3. St. Bonnies was the next team to join the conference. The school drives Olean so I think they are a Yes
  4. Rhode Island, the next team in is a very strong Maybe in my opinion especially with UMass no longer in conference
  5. St Joe is th next team in and are a Yes in my opinion. They are already close. They jsut need to admit they did Martelli wrong, move on from Lange and their fortunes will turn
  6. Dayton, Fordham and La Salle all came in together. Dayton is the only one that would probably vote Yes
  7. St Louis the next team in would be a Yes
  8. VCU - Yes
  9. George Mason seems to be ready to invest in basketball so they would be a yes
  10. Davidson didn’t bring Curry on as Asst GM to go backwards, they would be a Yes
  11. Loyola Chicago has the resources to stay at or near the top so they would be a Yes
You can only afford for Fordham, La Salle and Richmond to vote no. Rich might let there pride force them to vote Yes however. They cant fathom that VCU could do something that they can’t. GW and URI are the ones that you would have to spend some time to make sure they stayed on the yes side IMHO
 
TampaKAP said:
That is a legitimate question. So we are talking 11 teams. With UMass leaving there are only tw original members left
  1. Duquesne just did a nice renovation on there facilities and seem to be invested so I see them as a Yes
  2. George Washington the other original members is a very strong maybe in my opinion
  3. St. Bonnies was the next team to join the conference. The school drives Olean so I think they are a Yes
  4. Rhode Island, the next team in is a very strong Maybe in my opinion especially with UMass no longer in conference
  5. St Joe is th next team in and are a Yes in my opinion. They are already close. They jsut need to admit they did Martelli wrong, move on from Lange and their fortunes will turn
  6. Dayton, Fordham and La Salle all came in together. Dayton is the only one that would probably vote Yes
  7. St Louis the next team in would be a Yes
  8. VCU - Yes
  9. George Mason seems to be ready to invest in basketball so they would be a yes
  10. Davidson didn’t bring Curry on as Asst GM to go backwards, they would be a Yes
  11. Loyola Chicago has the resources to stay at or near the top so they would be a Yes
You can only afford for Fordham, La Salle and Richmond to vote no. Rich might let there pride force them to vote Yes however. They cant fathom that VCU could do something that they can’t. GW and URI are the ones that you would have to spend some time to make sure they stayed on the yes side IMHO
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worth noting Fordham are hiring a new coach, and its looking like it'll be mike magpayo. they appear to be getting serious
 
IstanbulRam said:
Basically he said no one knows what conferences will look like in 5 years and that the goal of the Athletic Department at VCU is to get us in the best basketball centric conference.

Can’t really argue with his first point. Unfortunately his second point is somewhat out of our control.
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wonder what he's not saying. what he thinks conference realignment will look like in 5
 
ramluvr99 said:
worth noting Fordham are hiring a new coach, and its looking like it'll be mike magpayo. they appear to be getting serious
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Fordham has a storied history with Football but I don't know if they can raise enough revenue to continue to be basketball competitive and sustain football. I worry football is going to bleed them
 
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