Former Recruits and Players

Was Will Wade the best coach we've had in the modern era? Sure, Shaka lit the flame, but look at Marquette, gonna be another 1 win and out in the NCAA tournament. Who knows what the future holds for WW. Might win a dang championships at NC State
 
Thirstin4Burston said:
Was Will Wade the best coach we've had in the modern era? Sure, Shaka lit the flame, but look at Marquette, gonna be another 1 win and out in the NCAA tournament. Who knows what the future holds for WW. Might win a dang championships at NC State
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Strictly based on what he accomplished at VCU? No, I would put him behind Smart and Grant. Ahead of Capel and Rhoades.
 
Half-baked Mcbride said:
I agree....as a teacher (which is in a very similar realm as coaching), I find it somewhat galling that a coach....who is in a clear position of power, would stoop so low as to punish/blackball/drive away/disparage any player under his care.....and yes, I use the term "care" on purpose.

Regardless of which/how much/how many NIL monies are involved...the job of the coach (or teacher) is to shepherd your charges through this gauntlet of life and sports. I mean....you DO wanna win, right Mike??? 'Cause Clary CLEARLY came to PSU with a quality D1 skillset. Now, if CLary is the problem?? You address it AND document it. Sure, you withhold PT..BUT....it has to be transparent and above board and with a clear goal in mind for him to work towards. A 'plan of improvement" is extremely common and widely accepted in most all forms of employment

Clary may or may not be gilding the lilly a bit with the lawsuit....the racial element seemed bogus (and was agreed by Clary to be dropped)....but something went on behind the scenes and it looks like MR was more concerned about HIS power and HIS control that he literally made choices that were detrimental to WINNING and, worse in my opinion, did not reflect someone who had a young man's greater good in mind.

There is clearly a lot going on here, and it stinks on both sides and an NIL lawsuit may set a dangerous/uncomfortable precedent....but part of this reflects on the NCAA's choices to NOT set up guardrails/checks and balances/ACTUAL contracts/union or collective bargaining that supports the employees (players)...yadda yadda yadda

I'm just glade he's gone AND that this isn't a VCU problem
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This is the same guy that gave Coach Smart an ultimatum that he either had to get rid of a player or he was leaving.
 
WillWeaverRVA said:
I'm not really surprised. Ace is Rhoades's guy. Rhoades wanted Ace front and center even when Clary was outplaying him, and Rhoades really had no logical reason to bench Clary. When Clary cried foul, Rhoades and his staff (and Ace, who has that stereotypical alpha dog mentality) drove him off and eventually kicked him off the team.
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Rhoades had every reason to bench clary..he was a ball hog and didn't facilitate the offense. The lions played alot more cohesively and efficiently on offense after he left. They played better than .500 ball after he left.
 
Rams4Life said:
Mike Rhoades sucks. Ace Baldwin sucks. VCU immediately improved the second both of them left; no matter what we had coming in.

VCU rules.
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How did we immediately improve? In Mikes last year we went 27-8, 15-3 in conference, were first in the conference and went to the Big Dance. And we had a very experienced team that likely would have all or mostly returned.
I'm not saying that Odom is not good......we have a fantastic team this year with a terrific record and some of the best team play I have seen from VCU. But we were not immediately improved the year after MR left. Also in MR 2nd year here we were 1st in the A10, 16-2 in conference with a 25-8 record......eerily similar to where we are today.
Don't try and change history. The record book does not lie.
 
BradRamFan said:
How did we immediately improve? In Mikes last year we went 27-8, 15-3 in conference, were first in the conference and went to the Big Dance. And we had a very experienced team that likely would have all or mostly returned.
I'm not saying that Odom is not good......we have a fantastic team this year with a terrific record and some of the best team play I have seen from VCU. But we were not immediately improved the year after MR left. Also in MR 2nd year here we were 1st in the A10, 16-2 in conference with a 25-8 record......eerily similar to where we are today.
Don't try and change history. The record book does not lie.
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Our culture and potential future of our program improved immediately. It had been trending in the wrong direction.
 
The best part about having Shaka as coach was the hype and all that came with it. Buzz around the program, good recruits, and sports writers who were motivated to rank VCU and Shaka.

Look at Marquette right now. They've lost 6 of their last 10 games and are down 10 to bubble team Xavier in the Big East tourney but Marquette is still ranked. Makes no sense unless you realize how hype influences everything.
 
Not to just bag on Shaka but they're getting blown out by Xavier rn. If they lose 7 of their last 11, no idea why they should be in the tournament. I'd rather see one of those SEC teams who went 5-12 in conference get a bid.
 
2012Ram said:
Recruiting:
  1. Shaka
  2. Rhoades
  3. Odom
  4. Grant
  5. Wade
  6. Capel
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So recruiting is where it gets interesting...

Because look at the team that beat Duke in 07.... who recruited that team primarily.... including Maynor (the VCU Goat).... it was Capel.

Hard to have the guy who recruited the best player in VCU history as the worst recruiter in the last 6 coaches.

Who recruited most of the guys that were the core reason we beat Duke? Coach Grant.

Then you look at guys like Weber, Graham, Reddic, Mo... etc. who gets credit for recruiting all those guys since Shaka, Wade & MR were all part of the coaching staff who recruited a handful of those guys? Are we giving all the credit to Shaka since he was the HC.... or are we giving credit to the assistants too as they are just as vital in the process?

trying to rank the coaches based on recruiting is very tricky.... especially when everything is intertwined.
 
RowdyPkunk said:
So recruiting is where it gets interesting...

Because look at the team that beat Duke in 07.... who recruited that team primarily.... including Maynor (the VCU Goat).... it was Capel.

Hard to have the guy who recruited the best player in VCU history as the worst recruiter in the last 6 coaches.

Who recruited most of the guys that were the core reason we beat Duke? Coach Grant.

Then you look at guys like Weber, Graham, Reddic, Mo... etc. who gets credit for recruiting all those guys since Shaka, Wade & MR were all part of the coaching staff who recruited a handful of those guys? Are we giving all the credit to Shaka since he was the HC.... or are we giving credit to the assistants too as they are just as vital in the process?

trying to rank the coaches based on recruiting is very tricky.... especially when everything is intertwined.
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recruiting and player development are different
 
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