Former Recruits and Players

VCU Finance 2008 said:
LSU certainly wouldn't have distanced themselves from him as quickly as they did but I don't know that he wouldn't have gotten caught with the feds being involved.
Click to expand...

The football team may have gotten caught, but it would have been the "handlers" getting caught and not the head coach. SEC football is at a totally different level.
 
share the ball said:
Did Dana Kirk fail? Personal failure Yes but was very successful on the court at Memphis State his next job including taking a team to the Final 4. ( year big east had the other 3 spots)
Click to expand...

Memphis had to vacate all of their NCAA Tournament appearances from 1992 through 1995, including their Final Four appearance under Dana Kirk. Dana also graduated only 6 out of 60 scholarship players at Memphis. Cheating isn't part of the job description when determining success.

Below is from Wikipedia:

Memphis State​

Kirk built the Tigers into a national powerhouse with teams built around Memphis-area players. However, he only graduated six out of 60 scholarship players in seven years, including only two on the celebrated 1985 team. Only a year after the Final Four appearance, it was revealed that Memphis State had committed many severe recruiting violations while Kirk was head coach. In addition, Kirk himself was arrested on felony charges following an investigation.

Indictment​

In 1986, the NCAA forced Memphis State to vacate all of their NCAA tournament appearances from 1982 through 1985, including its Final Four run. Kirk was indicted by a federal grand jury on 11 counts of tax evasion, filing false income tax returns, mail fraud and obstruction of justice. At his trial, witnesses testified that he scalped tickets for as much as five times face value, took money from boosters to give to players and actively solicited kickbacks from tournament promoters. He served four months in a federal minimum-security prison in Montgomery, Alabama. After serving out his sentence, he returned to Memphis where he hosted a sports talk show on WHBQ. He has also published his autobiography Simply Amazing, The Dana Kirk Story, written with Dallas talk show host and columnist Mark Davis, who was at WHBQ at the time.
 
Wolfpack Ram said:
The football team may have gotten caught, but it would have been the "handlers" getting caught and not the head coach. SEC football is at a totally different level.
Click to expand...
That is the same thing that happened in basketball with the exception of Wade. He was just new to it and very sloppy. Some head coaches did end up going down but they had enough distance between them and the payments that they weren't in trouble with the FBI and weren't on the wiretap. They really didn't fully peruse everything that they could have with that investigation. Lots of cash flowing and no taxes being paid. Always said that Wade wasn't doing anything that everyone else wasn't doing. They were just better at it and had more experience. The only time a college football coach at that level faces any consequences is if they don't win enough games. Even then they get sent home with a buyout worth tens of millions of dollars.
 
Wolfpack Ram said:
Memphis had to vacate all of their NCAA Tournament appearances from 1992 through 1995, including their Final Four appearance under Dana Kirk. Dana also graduated only 6 out of 60 scholarship players at Memphis. Cheating isn't part of the job description when determining success.

Below is from Wikipedia:

Memphis State​

Kirk built the Tigers into a national powerhouse with teams built around Memphis-area players. However, he only graduated six out of 60 scholarship players in seven years, including only two on the celebrated 1985 team. Only a year after the Final Four appearance, it was revealed that Memphis State had committed many severe recruiting violations while Kirk was head coach. In addition, Kirk himself was arrested on felony charges following an investigation.

Indictment​

In 1986, the NCAA forced Memphis State to vacate all of their NCAA tournament appearances from 1982 through 1985, including its Final Four run. Kirk was indicted by a federal grand jury on 11 counts of tax evasion, filing false income tax returns, mail fraud and obstruction of justice. At his trial, witnesses testified that he scalped tickets for as much as five times face value, took money from boosters to give to players and actively solicited kickbacks from tournament promoters. He served four months in a federal minimum-security prison in Montgomery, Alabama. After serving out his sentence, he returned to Memphis where he hosted a sports talk show on WHBQ. He has also published his autobiography Simply Amazing, The Dana Kirk Story, written with Dallas talk show host and columnist Mark Davis, who was at WHBQ at the time.
Click to expand...
Aware of all of that.

As it says Kirk built Memphis State into a national powerhouse.

As we all know it isn’t cheating that is wrong , a long list of successful coaches bent the rules like Dana but getting Caught Cheating is what you cannot do.
 
share the ball said:
Aware of all of that.

As it says Kirk built Memphis State into a national powerhouse.

As we all know it isn’t cheating that is wrong , a long list of successful coaches bent the rules like Dana but getting Caught Cheating is what you cannot do.
Click to expand...

Did you even read it?

In 1986, the NCAA forced Memphis State to vacate all of their NCAA tournament appearances from 1982 through 1985, including its Final Four run.

Kirk had numerous recruiting violations causing those games to be vacated. If that's not "failing" at your job, I don't know what is.
 
"At his trial, witnesses testified that he scalped tickets for as much as five times face value, took money from boosters to give to players and actively solicited kickbacks from tournament promoters."

Poor Dana Kirk, born at the wrong time.

1989: Greybar Motel

2025: "Coach of the Year" candidate
 
AlienAiden said:
I spoke to Rob Brandenberg before the game last night. He looks good and is doing well.
Click to expand...
In 2010, I received a phone call from Rob (who the heck is this guy and what does he want to sell me, I thought). He wanted to thank me for my donation to the RAF. This was before the season started, but he became my favorite player. And I continued to donate until the phone calls from VCU stopped and my calls and emails weren't returned. It's that easy. A simple personal outreach. Glad to hear he is doing well
 
He was only here for about a month so this isn't really relevant to VCU but I just saw a post that former assistant Bill Courtney passed away suddenly. He was currently at Temple but I believe he also coached it Mason and Virginia Tech so plenty of local ties in addition to his brief stay here.
 
VCU Finance 2008 said:
He was only here for about a month so this isn't really relevant to VCU but I just saw a post that former assistant Bill Courtney passed away suddenly. He was currently at Temple but I believe he also coached it Mason and Virginia Tech so plenty of local ties in addition to his brief stay here.
Click to expand...

Yup he was at Mason from 97-2005, UVA from 06-09, Tech 09-10, and then briefly at Temple. Prior to this year he had been at Miami since 2019 as an assistant, associate HC & even briefly interim HC last year.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top