NCAA Transfer & NIL Policies

[80sRamBaseballRugby]

Yeah you'd think at some point the donors would look at the return and just . . . stop.

But think about it. Do NBA revenues come from donors? Why can't universities tap into similar revenue streams as the NBA? Why not let the athletes play as many years as they want and switch to different employer universities as often as they want. Its a better product than the NBA.

 

[share the ball]

But think about it. Do NBA revenues come from donors? Why can't universities tap into similar revenue streams as the NBA? Why not let the athletes play as many years as they want and switch to different employer universities as often as they want. Its a better product than the NBA.

new nba tv contract worth about $6-7 Billion a year split that among 30 teams

NBA does a far better job entertaining their customers at the games (Makes what VCU does at timeouts or halftime look like the entertainment was put together by a bunch of 4th graders)

only thing VCU does better is the Peppas but pro teams no longer do pep bands

unless VCU gets to the Big East in the next 5 years we will be on the outside looking in for college basketball IMO

not sure the product is better in college anymore with the portal and multiple transfers allowed and NIL etc

watch an NBA playoff game in a packed arena with patrons paying $100-500 for tickets and compare to VCU playing in the A10 tournament in a NBA arena with 1/3 filled and most people sitting on their hands

only thing NCAA does better is single elimination tournament (march madness) where every game means something

washington Wizards ticket revenue last season was $63 million for 41 games for a crappy team
VCU was around $2 million for 17-18 games

 

[N Mollen]

Expecting a pro league with dramatically lower tier talent that is commercially linked to colleges to succeed in direct competition with the NBA is folly. If you want to watch pros, there are several leagues for that. People have traditionally watched college basketball because the teams were intimately connected to universities with which they had direct bonds (or played in leagues including the schools they attended/grew up watching). The current system is focused entirely on eliminating the very things that made it different from the pros.

In my view this is unsustainable. Things might change (Congress is currently considering legislation sponsored by the NCAA). But the current trend is a death spiral.

 

[80sRamBaseballRugby]

new nba tv contract worth about $6-7 Billion a year split that among 30 teams

NBA does a far better job entertaining their customers at the games (Makes what VCU does at timeouts or halftime look like the entertainment was put together by a bunch of 4th graders)

only thing VCU does better is the Peppas but pro teams no longer do pep bands

unless VCU gets to the Big East in the next 5 years we will be on the outside looking in for college basketball IMO

not sure the product is better in college anymore with the portal and multiple transfers allowed and NIL etc

watch an NBA playoff game in a packed arena with patrons paying $100-500 for tickets and compare to VCU playing in the A10 tournament in a NBA arena with 1/3 filled and most people sitting on their hands

only thing NCAA does better is single elimination tournament (march madness) where every game means something

washington Wizards ticket revenue last season was $63 million for 41 games for a crappy team
VCU was around $2 million for 17-18 games

I hear ya, and yes that's the current state, and it may very well stay that way, BUT if the universities got together to seize this opportunity, they could steal, A. The Player Pipeline, B. The Fans, and C. The Market

As a VCU Fan, I'd rather watch any VCU game, any A-10 Game, or even any D1 game over an NBA game.

Its hard to know what will happen next with the NCAA being a virtual lame duck and the courts running the show. I suspect the big money is going to ruin college sports the same as it has done the NBA, MLB and the NFL, at least for me.

 

[MobileMunchies]

Riddle me this, if this program we all here love was the one in such a position that it was putting out the kind of checks we're seeing out there, would you as a fan feel any different about the amounts? Be honest.

 

[SWV]

Riddle me this, if this program we all here love was the one in such a position that it was putting out the kind of checks we're seeing out there, would you as a fan feel any different about the amounts? Be honest.

Buying talent doesn’t feel the same to me as a guy picking a school because he thinks it’s a good fit for him and wants to get his degree from that school. Buying talent feels like paying guys to come in and try to win, but they aren’t doing it for the love of the school. They’re offering their services as long as they’re paid.

 

[Wolfpack Ram]

Buying talent doesn’t feel the same to me as a guy picking a school because he thinks it’s a good fit for him and wants to get his degree from that school. Buying talent feels like paying guys to come in and try to win, but they aren’t doing it for the love of the school. They’re offering their services as long as they’re paid.

And you can bet these message boards are going to have a meltdown when posters start trashing the players for poor play compared to their NIL revenue. I was very critical of Wheeler last year and posters thought I was being unreasonable. All of the players better develop thick skin because it's going to get a lot worse than what Wheeler went through last year regarding fans complaining about poor play and high pay.

 

[MobileMunchies]

And you can bet these message boards are going to have a meltdown when posters start trashing the players for poor play compared to their NIL revenue. I was very critical of Wheeler last year and posters thought I was being unreasonable. All of the players better develop thick skin because it's going to get a lot worse than what Wheeler went through last year regarding fans complaining about poor play and high pay.

We've seen fan in here saying they were all ready and prepped to do just that.

Yeah, I only know the perspective of a Ram fan, like, from this thread and mostly all the others, but we're not the ones out there dishing out 2 million for a player. Just wondering if anyone has any insight into how fans of those programs are taking this player for sale thing change.

 

[RowdyPkunk]

I hear ya, and yes that's the current state, and it may very well stay that way, BUT if the universities got together to seize this opportunity, they could steal, A. The Player Pipeline, B. The Fans, and C. The Market

As a VCU Fan, I'd rather watch any VCU game, any A-10 Game, or even any D1 game over an NBA game.

Its hard to know what will happen next with the NCAA being a virtual lame duck and the courts running the show. I suspect the big money is going to ruin college sports the same as it has done the NBA, MLB and the NFL, at least for me.

But the question to the bolded statement is..... Why?

Is it because every game in college means something (to an extent)... and the NCAA tournament is more exciting (and takes less time) than the NBA playoffs?

Is it because you have a direct connection to VCU, because you or someone in your family or friends went to VCU?

Is it because, up until the NIL/Transfer Portal stuff.... fans could actually get to know these players more, and have a favorite player & not have to worry bout whether they're gonna be there next year (as much).

Is it because the players in college (at least up until this NIL stuff) actually act like they care about playing the game & not just collecting a paycheck (like a number of NBA players).


Well, with the way College athletics are changing.... that might change mine & others opinions in the near future, if it hasn't changed theirs already. Sure the NCAA Tournament (other than expanding & adding more teams) won't change too much in terms of the format.

But players aren't even closed to a lock to stay here anymore. Shoot, just because they commit here, doesn't even mean they'll show up here any more.... and thats even without coaching changes happening.

And everyone wants to talk about how Pro athletes are over payed.... at least most of them have a "Brand" or an identity on a National if not international level. Everyone knows who Lebron James, Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, Patrck Mahomes, Travis Kelce, Mike Trout & others are.... people didn't know who Caitlin Clark was coming out of HS..... but they sure know who she is now as she made a name for herself.


But there are so many College athletes now getting paid, hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars in NIL, when 90-95% of the world prob wouldn't know who the f*** the person was if they were standing right in front of them.... some of them before they even step on a collegiate court.

And as a result of a lot of this.... Coaches are now bringing in less scholarship players to their rosters which is bad for a lot of reasons.

 

[MobileMunchies]

 

[SWV]

And you can bet these message boards are going to have a meltdown when posters start trashing the players for poor play compared to their NIL revenue. I was very critical of Wheeler last year and posters thought I was being unreasonable. All of the players better develop thick skin because it's going to get a lot worse than what Wheeler went through last year regarding fans complaining about poor play and high pay.

I don't disagree with that. Someone on here said something about NIL contracts moving forward being tied to performance. We agreed to pay your $500K, but you didn't produce, so you get less. I'm just really interested and curious how this will all pan out.

 

[N Mollen]

I hear ya, and yes that's the current state, and it may very well stay that way, BUT if the universities got together to seize this opportunity, they could steal, A. The Player Pipeline, B. The Fans, and C. The Market

As a VCU Fan, I'd rather watch any VCU game, any A-10 Game, or even any D1 game over an NBA game.

Its hard to know what will happen next with the NCAA being a virtual lame duck and the courts running the show. I suspect the big money is going to ruin college sports the same as it has done the NBA, MLB and the NFL, at least for me.

This makes absolutely no sense to me.

First, unless Congress acts, what you call "seizing this opportunity" DOJ calls an antitrust violation.

More significantly, you seem to be projecting a future in which "the universities" run a pro league that can replace the NBA. Why would I want that? The NBA exists now. I am indifferent to it. Replicating it with 352 teams instead of 30 has zero allure.

Some of you old timers will recall that in the dim dark past, VCU played exhibition games against organizations like Athletes in Action. They also played against company teams. For some reason I recall that we played multiple times against Sinclair Oil's traveling squad.

As I remember, no one came to cheer on old Sinclair, because who the heck wants to watch low level basketball employees of a company.

That is where we are headed with "college" teams. A group of yearly contracts with sub-NBA professionals brought in before Thanksgiving who have zero connection to the school or the institution for which they work and will be gone by the time the flowers bloom in spring.

I like senior nights. I like graduating players. I like watching the fuzz-faced kid grow into a man over years of maturation at VCU. I like kids who grow into men like Darius who bleed black and gold.

I have no interest in watching a team staffed entirely of one year rentals who don't go to classes because they don't want a degree and have zero connection to the school. These rentals are marketing employees and nothing more. I have no interest in them.

Others are of course entitled to root on what's his name who was at Longwood last year and ODU the year before and will be at Va Tech next year. Have at it. Maybe I am alone, but I suspect I am not.

 

[Wolfpack Ram]

I don't disagree with that. Someone on here said something about NIL contracts moving forward being tied to performance. We agreed to pay your $500K, but you didn't produce, so you get less. I'm just really interested and curious how this will all pan out.

That was me that suggested NIL $ be tied to performance.

 

[SWV]

That was me that suggested NIL $ be tied to performance.

Something's got to give, IMO.

 

[80sRamBaseballRugby]

But the question to the bolded statement is..... Why?

Is it because every game in college means something (to an extent)... and the NCAA tournament is more exciting (and takes less time) than the NBA playoffs?

Is it because you have a direct connection to VCU, because you or someone in your family or friends went to VCU?

Is it because, up until the NIL/Transfer Portal stuff.... fans could actually get to know these players more, and have a favorite player & not have to worry bout whether they're gonna be there next year (as much).

Is it because the players in college (at least up until this NIL stuff) actually act like they care about playing the game & not just collecting a paycheck (like a number of NBA players).


Well, with the way College athletics are changing.... that might change mine & others opinions in the near future, if it hasn't changed theirs already. Sure the NCAA Tournament (other than expanding & adding more teams) won't change too much in terms of the format.

But players aren't even closed to a lock to stay here anymore. Shoot, just because they commit here, doesn't even mean they'll show up here any more.... and thats even without coaching changes happening.

And everyone wants to talk about how Pro athletes are over payed.... at least most of them have a "Brand" or an identity on a National if not international level. Everyone knows who Lebron James, Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, Patrck Mahomes, Travis Kelce, Mike Trout & others are.... people didn't know who Caitlin Clark was coming out of HS..... but they sure know who she is now as she made a name for herself.


But there are so many College athletes now getting paid, hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars in NIL, when 90-95% of the world prob wouldn't know who the f*** the person was if they were standing right in front of them.... some of them before they even step on a collegiate court.

And as a result of a lot of this.... Coaches are now bringing in less scholarship players to their rosters which is bad for a lot of reasons.

Quality post. For me the love comes from all you mentioned. Not sure if the big $$$ is gonna ruin it but it sure feels like it will.