QUESTION: IF VCU WERE IN THE A10 HOW LONG B4 WE WIN A CROWN?

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Given the level of talent VCU has had over the past 6 years and the influx of talented players...I was wondering how long would you all estimate that it would take before we would win a conference crown if we were in the A10 and why......Just something to think about... :ugeek: :ugeek: :ugeek:
 
it would be a while.

i certainly think vcu would be able to win a fair share of home games and even a few upsets of the top teams from time to time, but winning consistently to the point of a conference championship would be quite a task with the way our roster is typically made up.
 
Ok without EM3 we beat Richmond, Rhoad Island, Oklahoma,Tulane, Nevada...all decent OOC teams...we win the CBI against St. Louis (who some may say is a year away from being a really good team). Let me see Beat Richmond 65-57, beat URI 85-80, beat George Washington 79-73, beat St. 2 times 68-56 and 71-65.....Richmond made it to the tournament...a 26-9 team..and URI a 26-10 team. Richmond placed 3rd in the conference. I don't think it would be hard to beat Xavier and Temple. Richmond use to be a dominant team in the Caa. I don't think the A10 is a conference that we would have a hard time adjusting to. If you look at the A-10 from top to bottom. VCU could stack up well against any of those teams....http://www.atlantic10.com/sports/m-bask ... y.html...I would predict a championship within two to three years after entering the conference.....that is not unrealistic.. :ugeek: :ugeek: :ugeek:
 
We would be a top 4 A-10 program more often that not IF we're talking about the current state of our program. We would not even be close to one of the most distinguished programs like we are in the CAA (an admittedly small pond). Xavier would blow us away as the conference's most prestigious team, and teams like Dayton, and Temple would also boast better heritages and better recent teams as well. I think our '06-'07 would have had the best shot at an A-10 title and even that year we lost to Xavier by 2 points in a neutral court early season tournament.

It's a bigger step up to the A-10 than we think, we're talking about moving up from the 14th ranked conference to the 7th or 8th ranked conference out there. I wouldn't be as bold to predict a conference championship, but we would have definitely had better chances for an at-large playing the past few years in the A-10 as opposed to the CAA. That is assuming that we perform similarly to the higher level teams in the A-10 as we did to CAA programs over the same time span.
 
districtballer said:
We would be a top 4 A-10 program more often that not IF we're talking about the current state of our program. We would not even be close to one of the most distinguished programs like we are in the CAA (an admittedly small pond). Xavier would blow us away as the conference's most prestigious team, and teams like Dayton, and Temple would also boast better heritages and better recent teams as well. I think our '06-'07 would have had the best shot at an A-10 title and even that year we lost to Xavier by 2 points in a neutral court early season tournament.

It's a bigger step up to the A-10 than we think, we're talking about moving up from the 14th ranked conference to the 7th or 8th ranked conference out there. I wouldn't be as bold to predict a conference championship, but we would have definitely had better chances for an at-large playing the past few years in the A-10 as opposed to the CAA. That is assuming that we perform similarly to the higher level teams in the A-10 as we did to CAA programs over the same time span.
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I agree with you that it is a step up ...but not quite sure it is the fact that the A-10 is higher seeded than it should be or that the CAA is seeded lower than it should be...If Richmond could make the step up then surely we could. As a matter of fact I believe that we have a better all around program than UofR since the days of Dick Tarrant. :ugeek: :ugeek: :ugeek:
 
I'm not sure that I follow the 'seeded higher than it should be, or lower than it should be' comment. I'm not saying we couldn't make the step up. I have no doubt we could. It's a long way from saying we could step up into the A-10 to talking about the matter of WHEN we would win a conference championship in that league.
Richmond made the jump up, they haven't won a conference championship yet, but they did get an at-large last year. That's what I would expect out of our current program if it had played in the A-10 the last couple of years, maybe a couple of at-large bids.

UofR never really had quite as athletic or talented teams as VCU necessarily did over our collective histories, but they do have the bigger NCAA wins and national profile because of their reputation as a giant-killer. Any serious fan of college basketball over the age of 35 will remember big wins over Auburn, Syracuse etc. Lots of big wins. We played in a stronger league most of the time (Sun Belt and Metro were both stronger than the CAA when we played in those leagues) and then shared the CAA with them for sometime before they moved up. It's easy to say we are a better all-around program since after the Dick Tarrant era at UR, but Tarrant's teams got much more national publicity than even some of our 80's teams because of the Spiders' 'Giant-Killer' reputation. He led his teams to 5 NCAA tournaments and 4 NIT bids in 12 years as a coach at UR with 4 NCAA wins (including a Sweet Sixteen). That's like us saying since the JD Barnett years, program X has been better than VCU.
 
Well Xavier has 3 90+ recruits for 2010 and already two 93+ guys for 2011 so they arent going away any time soon and Temple is always pretty tough as well. So im guessing it would be after Temple moves to the Big East and Xavier to the Big 10.
 
I would put Dayton ahead of us as well. Bigger program with much better support, they recruit at a higher level and have had more success than us as well (14 NCAA's, 14 NCAA wins).
 
districtballer said:
I'm not sure that I follow the 'seeded higher than it should be, or lower than it should be' comment. I'm not saying we couldn't make the step up. I have no doubt we could. It's a long way from saying we could step up into the A-10 to talking about the matter of WHEN we would win a conference championship in that league.
Richmond made the jump up, they haven't won a conference championship yet, but they did get an at-large last year. That's what I would expect out of our current program if it had played in the A-10 the last couple of years, maybe a couple of at-large bids.

UofR never really had quite as athletic or talented teams as VCU necessarily did over our collective histories, but they do have the bigger NCAA wins and national profile because of their reputation as a giant-killer. Any serious fan of college basketball over the age of 35 will remember big wins over Auburn, Syracuse etc. Lots of big wins. We played in a stronger league most of the time (Sun Belt and Metro were both stronger than the CAA when we played in those leagues) and then shared the CAA with them for sometime before they moved up. It's easy to say we are a better all-around program since after the Dick Tarrant era at UR, but Tarrant's teams got much more national publicity than even some of our 80's teams because of the Spiders' 'Giant-Killer' reputation. He led his teams to 5 NCAA tournaments and 4 NIT bids in 12 years as a coach at UR with 4 NCAA wins (including a Sweet Sixteen). That's like us saying since the JD Barnett years, program X has been better than VCU.
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...If my memory serves me correctly Richmond's Glory years came after JD Barnett departed...Oh yeah I am over 35....The first year VCU hit the CAA we won the conference chanpionship circa 1995-96...and oh yeah Richmond was still in the league...It was considered a step down when we came to the CAA and it was proven that first year becuase we ran through the league 14-2. Richmond won 1 championship since we got there (1998) before leaving for the A-10 in 2001 ....both teams have had their glory years...I would agree that Richmond had some major upsets...but the new era in VCU basketball saw a upset in Duke and should have easily beaten Pitt......Plus ...I am glad you mentioned that VCU's pedigree as far as conference affiliation is much stronger and better than UofR ...Now It would be debatable as to whether Richmond makes it to the NCAA tournament if VCU were in the CAA all of the years that they were classified as "Giant Killers"...they may not have even got the chance...
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Right but they did and their overall NCAA resume of success resonates much more with the common fan. We beat teams like Northeastern, Long Island etc. (ie. teams nobody know about nationally), Richmond beat Syracuse as a 15-seed in one of the greatest upsets in NCAA history, Georgia Tech and Indiana on the way to the Sweet Sixteen, and Auburn when Charles Barkley was still ruling the roost down there.

As for 1998, they actually won an NCAA game as a 13 seed against South Carolina that year. Much more impressive wins across the board. In fact the only NCAA team with name value that we've ever beaten is Duke.

If you are over 35 you'll know that Richmond had a MUCH higher national profile than us in the late 80's and early 90's. They really trumped the press we got in the early 80's even. Don't bring up 1996, no one except for Ram fans know or care that that happened. We didn't win an NCAA game or make national noise that year and that's all that counts.
 
No I am not denying the significance of what Richmond did ...that would be crazy!!!..lol...all I am saying is that in short because Richmond was a force and is a decent team now...because we stack up well against them I think we would in turn stack up well against A10 competition.... :ugeek: :ugeek: :ugeek:
 
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