Shaka's Pay He just might desesrve a raise

[rammad90]

First I apologize if this is thread that has been established.

However, we have had many posters stating that Shaka's pay should be raised. I for one was one who stated 300k for an unproven commodity is not enough. I also was of the belief that if it were not enough Shaka wouldn't have accepted the offer. In business you are worth what you can command.

However, after seeing Hofstra paid Welsh 600k starting with his dismal record at Providence.(He did a good job at Iona but that was years ago). I think we could at least raise Shaka to 450K. We do not need to go higher due to our lower cost of living. However, and extra 150k seems appropriate given Shaka's year ( I think we should have been better meaning NCAA and not blowing all of those leads), his proven leadership during a tough inaugural campaign, and the fact that he has recruited well.

Even, if he leaves next year much like, Capel, and Grant before him he will be leaving us well stocked with talent and that has to be worth something.

In short, after seeing what others in the CAA make and given the the VCU job is tough, as this is our marquee sport, I am now on the band wagon and believe the young fella deserves a bit more of those Ram Bucks. Also, a raise may go a long way towards enticing him to resist other offers or at least make the big guys over pay for his services.

 

[BigShotBrad]

Don't increase the pay until you have to. He'll get his eventually.

 

[rammad90]

Don't increase the pay until you have to. He'll get his eventually.

The fact that he'll get his is not the issue. The issue is that he most likely deserves a bit more. A rule of thumb in business is that if you have to get an outside offer in order to get a raise from your present employer, then you should take the outside offer as your present employer doesnt really value as much as the outside group and will be a bit pissed that you forced them to give you what they didnt want to give. Meaning you will now be on a short rope.

Give the guy the money, and add some for the staff as well, maybe this group stays a while and we make the type of progress that eliminates the disagreements and makes this board board to one giant love fest.

 

[buckwheat]

Give the guy the money, and add some for the staff as well, maybe this group stays a while and we make the type of progress that eliminates the disagreements and makes this board board to one giant love fest.

it makes no difference how long a coach stays or how well he is paid. there will always be disagreements....and that's a good thing.

 

[rammad90]

Give the guy the money, and add some for the staff as well, maybe this group stays a while and we make the type of progress that eliminates the disagreements and makes this board board to one giant love fest.

it makes no difference how long a coach stays or how well he is paid. there will always be disagreements....and that's a good thing.

Wheat, I meant disagreements on the board not with the coach. You may be correct. However, if we begin to make it to the dance and advance a round or two consistently I am certain that we will have disagreements of a different sort. Which is also a good thing.

 

[ramramthankyoumaam]

I'm in the base salary + productivity camp. Give a good competative base salary for CAA coaches with bonuses paid for CAA championship, NCAA appearances, etc. You don't produce, you don't make the high dollars...sounds fair to me.

If I'm not mistaken Grant was making a pretty hefty chunk of change before he left the program (although nowhere close to what he gets at Alabama). I'm sure Norwood will make salary adjustments commensurate with his tenure and results. I'm sure he is appreciative og being given the opportunity to coach here, and will be rewarded as much as is reasonable for VCU, for continued success. Norwood understands this I'm sure. If Shaka does things the right way, which I think he will cause he's a class act, he'll complete the goals he set for the program and himself here which will probably take 4-5 years. If he is as successful as he might become there will be big time programs with big time wallets in here to take him away. Beyond the money he may have personal goals to eventually coach at the high major level, etc. Raising his salary now won't keep him from leaving later as we just can't compete with those high dollar programs.

 

[myrtlebeachramfan]

He'll get his eventually.

unfortunatley It might be from another school!

 

[ram4life]

I personally don't want to get involved in Coach Smart's salary. That is an issue between the Coach and the Athletic Director. We have a smart coach (no pun intended) and a smart athletic director. They will figure things out. My job is to support the team and the coaches in any way I can other than commenting on salary. Having said that, good luck Coach. You are worth penny you are paid (and then some). And good luck to you, Norwood. You, too, are worth every penny you earn. Remind the President of all you have done for VCU this year. You are building a solid athletic program at VCU (tennis, golf, baseball, women's volleyball, and women's basketball are five good examples of what is good about our athletics).

 

[DickLawRam]

I have a bit of a concern about giving Coach Smart a raise and the reasons are two fold.

First, I do not know how a raise would look right after President Rao raised tuition 24 percent last week. While the money might not even be coming from tuition dollars, it would bear the imprimatur of institutional duplicity (and could net a little bad publicity for the school, warranted or not).

Secondly, Benny Moss.

 

[Rambunctious]

We were 11-7 in the conference and in 5th place. We didn't win a reg season title or even make the CAA championship game. We were excluded from the NCAA's and the NIT. We paid to play in a third tier tourney and lost money on it. We won the CBI, but let's be serious, those were not great basketball teams we played. heck, let's raise his salary 50% ! See how crazy that suggestion is?

I wouldn't give Shaka anything more than a cost of living raise until we at least finish in the top 3 and make the NIT and I probably wouldn't give him one until we go to the NCAAs. I think we need to wait until he wins something that is banner worthy.

 

[ramtastic83]

Don't increase the pay until you have to. He'll get his eventually.

yeah heck get his when he leaves to go somewhere else ot make for money

 

[Rambunctious]

He won't get that opportunity until he wins something in the CAA, NIT or NCAA. There's a fine line in giving him a raise too early or too late. I still don't think we know what level of coach we have on our hands. He's charismatic, well spoken, accessible and seems to have done well recruiting (although time will tell) but as a team we played poorly on defense, gave up leads all year long and finished 5th with a soon to be NBA player on our squad. Let's give him a chance to really prove himself next year and the year after - - as he pulls in his players.

 

[M1ke]

Don't increase the pay until you have to. He'll get his eventually.

yeah heck get his when he leaves to go somewhere else ot make for money

I'm tired of new coach every 2 years friggin lock this guy up with a buyout contract where we can atleast get some money out of him when he leaves

 

[districtballer]

Don't increase the pay until you have to. He'll get his eventually.

yeah heck get his when he leaves to go somewhere else ot make for money

I'm tired of new coach every 2 years friggin lock this guy up with a buyout contract where we can atleast get some money out of him when he leaves

Then you don't get the same level of coach. No one wants to be locked up at a place they don't intend to stay at for too long. It's just the reality of college athletics.

 

[VCULee]

It's our assistant coaches we need to be locking up with more coin. Shaka's money will come in due time, as I do not expect him to make the same mistakes next year. Those mistakes have already been commented on here.