So Mason got a H/H with UVA?

I don't think VCU tries hard enough to schedule quality opponents. Sorry, but this has been on my mind since we entered the CAA. Although, I will say this...UVA and TECH are more afraid of the future of VCU because we are out recruiting ODU/GMU. Tech and UVA also want to focus more on the talent rich NOVA and Tidewater recruiting areas. Playing in these spots help. Just my opinion.
 
JacksonWard31 said:
I don't think VCU tries hard enough to schedule quality opponents. Sorry, but this has been on my mind since we entered the CAA. Although, I will say this...UVA and TECH are more afraid of the future of VCU because we are out recruiting ODU/GMU. Tech and UVA also want to focus more on the talent rich NOVA and Tidewater recruiting areas. Playing in these spots help. Just my opinion.

What proof or evidence that we have of your statement of UVA and Tech's fear of us? We all state this but with this latest development I think we may simply be blowing smoke.

ODU over the past few years has beaten good Gtown teams and a few A-10 teams. Also, they have been successful in the NCAA as well.

While we have impressive records and have gone to the tourney. Other than having two outstanding players there is really no difference in playing ODU or us. GMU is a drop down and shouldnt be as feared as ODU or VCU if look a the results of the past few years.

This sucks. The only thing I can add is that we beat UVA the last time we played them back in the late eighties, and they allegedly stated they wouldnt be playing us again. However, to schedule ODU even more reason to dislike them.

I do have to say this is good timing for UVA playing ODU as they should drop off a bit next year while we should be dangerous for the next several years given our recruiting. As to Tech, who cares? Beating them doesnt carry nearly the prestige of beating Mr. Jefffersons U.
 
Wow, that's a great get for them. You also have to look into it further though. I'm not sure if this was publicized or not, but Tony Bennett agreed in principal to a home and home with VCU before boosters got in his ear and dissuaded him last season. Apparently they thought with Eric gone, it would be a great time for them to schedule one. I guess somebody got in their ear saying otherwise.

Remember these guys never agree to the home and home unless they think they are safe to win the games. I'm not saying that they don't schedule VCU because we're that much better than Mason, because that's not true. If you look at how it's structured it does make sense though. Mason has some name recognition with the final four, and UVA should be favored in both games for the sole reason that they start at home even if against a senior-laden Mason team with Andre Cornelius, Michael Morrison, and Ryan Pearson. Of course they graduate Cam Long next year, so they don't have to deal with him period. They'll be on their home court and should hold serve at home against a team graduating their star. The next season at the Patriot Center they lose 3 starters in Andre Cornelius, Michael Morrison, and Pearson, all HUGE parts of their team. If you don't think UVA took this series knowing that they are in the best position to win the games, I have some land in Idaho I want to sell you.

I do agree that they likely want to have a presence in the tidewater and dc area, but they don't need to play ODU and Mason for that. The ACC brand does wonders by itself. I don't think you'll see Tech ever play ODU as long as Greenberg is there. They dropped 4 of 5 games to ODU in their series. I also don't think we're really outrecruiting Mason. They are right up there with us and last year's Mason class was the top among non-BCS schools period according to ESPN while we were in the 5-10 range this year. They are recruiting just as well as we are. ODU has a different approach to recruiting that doesn't involves stars and number rankings, but works just as well for them. These programs will always be at the top of the CAA for that reason.

Maybe we don't try hard enough, but rest assured UVA and Virginia Tech are called every year about playing a series and VCU always gets a 'no, thank you.'
 
I think recruiting is a big part of it. They already play that game in Richmond vs. whomever, so Richmond is covered.

Now they are trying to make moves across the state.......unfortunately, Mr. Bennett will find Virginia a tougher state to make claims on - much more so than Washington.
 
rammad90 said:
This sucks. The only thing I can add is that we beat UVA the last time we played them back in the late eighties, and they allegedly stated they wouldnt be playing us again.

Actually the last time we played UVa was in November 1998 at the Robbins Center and we lost 86-70. The Cavaliers had scheduled a home game with us for the opening of the Siegel Center. Unfortunately there was a problem with the floor at the SC and Dick Sanders wouldn't accept possesion of the building until the problem was fixed. So we played one more year of our "home" games on the UR campus facility.

As far as I know that was the only home game UVa ever scheduled with us. Oh we played them more than a few times at the Richmond Coliseum but always as part of the Richmond Times-Dispatch Invitational. There were some very competitive games with some of the most legendery Cav players but if memory serves we only won one of those games. We also played a handful of times in old U Hall, but while these were also competitive we usually had to beat two teams, the Hoos and the Zebras. I would still love to hear Nicky Jones's take on one particular game where he was literally mugged and the win stolen from us.

As far as Mason getting a home game why not? They are a team UVa can beat both at the Patsie Center and JPJ. The Pat Center holds over 10K and of course will be a sell out. Its a win win for the UVA program, unless of course the GMU players get tired of trashing hotel rooms and actually hand the Hoos a loss. We know that is not going to happen in C-Ville.

While I would love to see us play the Cavs in a H/H series I don't think just playing them at JPJ is a good idea. I would much prefer us having success in the NCAA tourney. If we do then the teams will come to us.
 
districtballer said:
Wow, that's a great get for them. You also have to look into it further though. I'm not sure if this was publicized or not, but Tony Bennett agreed in principal to a home and home with VCU before boosters got in his ear and dissuaded him last season. Apparently they thought with Eric gone, it would be a great time for them to schedule one. I guess somebody got in their ear saying otherwise.

Coach Smart told this story at one of the meet and greets prior to last season. If I remember correctly I think he said that Bennett or someone from UVA was in town and caught part of a VCU practice before deciding to pull the plug. I guess they were expecting to see a program in shambles and figured out that VCU was more than just one player and one coach. They were brave enough to play UNCW at home last year though which nearly bit them in the ass. This might be the first time in a while I have wanted Mason to win a game. If they don't get the W I hope they destroy every hotel room in Charlottesville.
 
So three different coaching staffs and two different ADs do not try hard enough to get games against BCS schools, specifically UVa and VT? I'm not sure what the reason is but I have a hard time believing all three staffs don't/didn't try hard enough.

But gotta admit, it is frustrating especially hearing about this Mason/UVa deal.
 
Certainly UVA/Tech will be carefull to maintain perception of value they each leverage from ACC, but except for occasional cocktial-circut talk, I could really care less what gones on in Wahoo or Hokie Land. I don't wish ill will against either, but I don't confuse social perception with reality.

The truth is VCU bb is every bite as good as those progams, which are also good programs. Yes, recruiting may have some background impact, but ability of alumni to craft the perception for world they want to live in versus the world that exists will always be part of life. VCU doesn't need to play or beat either of those programs to be better than both. We just need to continue to do what we are now doing: 1) provide extensive financial/emotional support, 2) provide best-in-class coaches, 3) recruit with an on-going passion and committment to a style of play, 4) sign excellent student athletes, and 5) ensure high quality faciities with student athlete academic support. We are doing all of them, and over the past 10 years have become much more consistent.

Xavier, Gonzonga, Butler, Memphis may watch what goes on down the rode at Ohio State, Univ. of WA, Univ. of IN, and Univ. of TN respectively, but none of them lose any sleep over those in-state programs. If Tech and UVa are going to be as good as VCU going foward, I look forward to playing either one in the NCAA's. Meanwhile, let their perception live between their ears; let ours live in our focus to out work and out smart all we encounter; often it is not hard.

Likewise, let us not live in fantasy land regarding out-of-conference scheduling. We can't pretend scheduling in-state weaker D1 programs will cut it. IF the higher RPI in-state schools won't play us, then let's get our black-and-gold butts on the road and go beat some higher RPI schools wherever we can face them. We are VCU. We are not victims. I didn't grow up in a tough envrionment, leave my trailer court in the rear view mirror, living, working my way through VCU [without family or govenment assistance] worried about what others were doing or thinking about me. I didn't work hard to become a VP in two differnt Fortune 500 companies, or leave corporate America to start up my own business a decade ago because I sought social acceptance, nor did I fined or expect " social justice" along the way. I did it because that was my goal. My wife of 31 years who I married during my sophmore year at VCU didnt wait on tables to help us pay bills so we could become "accepted". We have goals. We have passion. We don't care what the "establishment" thinks. I still don't.

State programs can run, but they cannot hide. Eventually they will have to deal with VCU. We're not going away. In fact, the best is in front of VCU. We will get much better! We compete against ourselves. We will continue to improve. We will not be complacent. We will live with integrity and purpose. We will reach our goals. We will win campionsships, and much more. We are RamNAtion. If others don't like that they can go pound sand.
 
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Post of the Year.
 
YES RAMJAMFAN!!!!

You post epitomizes the VCU success story. We have a few more hurdles and opinions to overcome but we have talent and when you combine that with hard work and vision the sky is the limit. That is similar to a quote the late John Wooden used to use.

Just send VCU some $$$ for football, willya? I will!
 
RamJamFan,

You epitimise VCU most of us didnt start out with a silver spoon or even a clue as to how the system even worked. However, we attended VCU whether it took 4, 5, 6 or more years to finish we did and have found success.

Your post is great. While I'd like to see a vehicle like the TDIT return giving us the oppty to play against better in state programs, I agree that it doesnt make a difference if UVA or Tech gives us a play and perhaps we will have to establish our self by taking our shows on the road playing one and dones. I think if we knock off a few of those road games we will then be a better position to play home and homes. Also, we have to do better in pre-season tournaments.

That or keep contractually requiring departing coaches play home in home. :D
 
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