The Official Beat the Fordham Rams in the Bronx Thread

rammad90 said:
Wards turnovers had no impact. He had 2 of his 5 in the last 8-9 minutes of the game. Fordham didnt score on either of the m and VCU got the ball back on rebound or turn over.

He was 3-4 from the field he ad 4 rebounds and 1 assist. Yes we have to work on those turnovers. However, they in no way were a primary reason that game was so close.
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One was a tightly called travel too
 
rammad90 said:
Wards turnovers had no impact. He had 2 of his 5 in the last 8-9 minutes of the game. Fordham didnt score on either of the m and VCU got the ball back on rebound or turn over.

He was 3-4 from the field he ad 4 rebounds and 1 assist. Yes we have to work on those turnovers. However, they in no way were a primary reason that game was so close.
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Yeah, 8 points, 4 rebounds, an assist and 2 blocks. I don't like the turnovers, but otherwise a productive night for 18 minutes.
 
gang there is no one size fits all answer to attacking a 3-2 zone or any zone - maybe in the junior high school or youth basketball or even high school but that is what advance scouting helps you with to understand how the zone moves who rotate the slowest etc... (i.e the weak spots based upon personnel)

3-2 zones more often than not are used to make it difficult for you to shoot from deep

posters here are right that getting the ball into the interior of the zone (ideally in the foul line area because it doesn't limit how you pass from there) is how you start attacking it

would not surprise me that Martelli preferred Hill there because he believed Hill was his best player to pass or attack the rim and create an opportunity to pass to another. -Jennings would have been a good person too there and maybe Evans

probably did not have a lot of confidence in tracey or Belle as passers and drivers from there and putting djokovic there would have been a waste because you want him to be the cutter to the rim or flashing to an open area near the rim for a pass

I will take the brain power on the bench (i.e Head Coach and the cadre of experienced Assistant coaches) to come up with a better x and o approach than the posters on this board any day of the week - basketball at this level is a game of Adjustments and the suggestions that their is this magical put a big man on the free throw line will break the zone is a fantasy. (but if Jokic or Magic Johnson or Larry Bird or Doncic is that big man than of course they will destroy you - becasue they are mega talent levels for big men )

Fordham was clearly trying to give us a different look and see how long it took us to adjust which I always like to see teams do to mix it up -(and is something I would love to see martelli do more often) Fordham knew they could not line up man to man for 40 minutes and beat us

glad we got out of Rose Hill Gym with the W - (gym is 101 years old and during WW II was an Army barrack (also at one time Vince Lombardi, fordham grad was trying to raise money with others to build a 10000 seat gym or thereabouts for Fordham with no success as we see)

and yes I am disappointed with how we have been playing recently but happy we have found ways to win, especially on the road when we don't play up to our potential (or at least what I think is our potential)
 
Ramaste said:
I agree that the team lacks focus, attention to detail, and a killer instinct (and a team leader, I might add). But wearing the same outfit six, seven hours earlier does not address those issues.
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That’s detail. You should be a team and rep the school you play for. You should be a cohesive unit. It might not seem like much. Great teams pay attention to the little things. Those things matter.
 
RamStrut said:
That’s detail. You should be a team and rep the school you play for. You should be a cohesive unit. It might not seem like much. Great teams pay attention to the little things. Those things matter.
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And, they wear something to warmups that doesn’t look like it fell out of their closet!
 
share the ball said:
gang there is no one size fits all answer to attacking a 3-2 zone or any zone - maybe in the junior high school or youth basketball or even high school but that is what advance scouting helps you with to understand how the zone moves who rotate the slowest etc... (i.e the weak spots based upon personnel)

3-2 zones more often than not are used to make it difficult for you to shoot from deep

posters here are right that getting the ball into the interior of the zone (ideally in the foul line area because it doesn't limit how you pass from there) is how you start attacking it

would not surprise me that Martelli preferred Hill there because he believed Hill was his best player to pass or attack the rim and create an opportunity to pass to another. -Jennings would have been a good person too there and maybe Evans

probably did not have a lot of confidence in tracey or Belle as passers and drivers from there and putting djokovic there would have been a waste because you want him to be the cutter to the rim or flashing to an open area near the rim for a pass

I will take the brain power on the bench (i.e Head Coach and the cadre of experienced Assistant coaches) to come up with a better x and o approach than the posters on this board any day of the week - basketball at this level is a game of Adjustments and the suggestions that their is this magical put a big man on the free throw line will break the zone is a fantasy. (but if Jokic or Magic Johnson or Larry Bird or Doncic is that big man than of course they will destroy you - becasue they are mega talent levels for big men )

Fordham was clearly trying to give us a different look and see how long it took us to adjust which I always like to see teams do to mix it up -(and is something I would love to see martelli do more often) Fordham knew they could not line up man to man for 40 minutes and beat us

glad we got out of Rose Hill Gym with the W - (gym is 101 years old and during WW II was an Army barrack (also at one time Vince Lombardi, fordham grad was trying to raise money with others to build a 10000 seat gym or thereabouts for Fordham with no success as we see)

and yes I am disappointed with how we have been playing recently but happy we have found ways to win, especially on the road when we don't play up to our potential (or at least what I think is our potential)
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There zone also changed the pace of the game, turned it into walk the ball up, pass it around. The fast pace of the Loyola game was gone.
 
theyaintwantit said:
That’s kind of what happened in 2017-2018. Fought Marquette (NIT team), Michigan (Natty Champ appearance), UVA (NCAA 1 seed), and Texas (NCAA 10 seed) all hard despite losing to all of those teams. We got waxed by Seton Hall (NCAA 8 seed) though.

And then in conference play we fought with fire despite a 6-3 start and then went 3-6 down the stretch with two absolute choke jobs at Richmond and vs Mason that dropped us to a 9-9 in conference play.

This team is much deeper and has more talent, but something just isn’t there. It’s Feb 3rd so I’m not convinced it’ll ever click!
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I think our memories fail us. We seem to forget close calls and lucky wins as the years go by. We believe we always blew every team out every season. In fact, I think I recall us going undefeated one season, winning every game by double digits and finishing every game with walk-ons.
 
VRam said:
I think our memories fail us. We seem to forget close calls and lucky wins as the years go by. We believe we always blew every team out every season. In fact, I think I recall us going undefeated one season, winning every game by double digits and finishing every game with walk-ons.
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There’s certainly a portion of this fanbase that acts as if the Post F4 Peak Shaka era lasted longer than the 4 years that it did. Even during that heyday we still lost some clunkers!
 
share the ball said:
gang there is no one size fits all answer to attacking a 3-2 zone or any zone - maybe in the junior high school or youth basketball or even high school but that is what advance scouting helps you with to understand how the zone moves who rotate the slowest etc... (i.e the weak spots based upon personnel)

3-2 zones more often than not are used to make it difficult for you to shoot from deep

posters here are right that getting the ball into the interior of the zone (ideally in the foul line area because it doesn't limit how you pass from there) is how you start attacking it

would not surprise me that Martelli preferred Hill there because he believed Hill was his best player to pass or attack the rim and create an opportunity to pass to another. -Jennings would have been a good person too there and maybe Evans

probably did not have a lot of confidence in tracey or Belle as passers and drivers from there and putting djokovic there would have been a waste because you want him to be the cutter to the rim or flashing to an open area near the rim for a pass

I will take the brain power on the bench (i.e Head Coach and the cadre of experienced Assistant coaches) to come up with a better x and o approach than the posters on this board any day of the week - basketball at this level is a game of Adjustments and the suggestions that their is this magical put a big man on the free throw line will break the zone is a fantasy. (but if Jokic or Magic Johnson or Larry Bird or Doncic is that big man than of course they will destroy you - becasue they are mega talent levels for big men )

Fordham was clearly trying to give us a different look and see how long it took us to adjust which I always like to see teams do to mix it up -(and is something I would love to see martelli do more often) Fordham knew they could not line up man to man for 40 minutes and beat us

glad we got out of Rose Hill Gym with the W - (gym is 101 years old and during WW II was an Army barrack (also at one time Vince Lombardi, fordham grad was trying to raise money with others to build a 10000 seat gym or thereabouts for Fordham with no success as we see)

and yes I am disappointed with how we have been playing recently but happy we have found ways to win, especially on the road when we don't play up to our potential (or at least what I think is our potential)
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It’s not sacrilegious to question a coach. I’ve never understood people’s thinking on this site that you cant question a coach no matter what. Just nod, clap and smile while watching a game.

You act like coaches at high level of basketball never make mistakes and or bad decisions. They’re human and it happens… good coaches will be the first to admit when they make mistakes.

Attacking a 3-2 zone comes down to spacing, it’s really not magic. Move the ball to the area on the floor where the defense isn’t.

The space thats open against a 3-2 zone is the baseline. We didn’t have any of our shooters running the baseline. We never once made an effort to get the ball to the baseline.

They had great length on defense and especially at the perimeter. This gave the smaller flashers to the FT line issues bc they couldn’t see over the collapsing defense and difficult to get a decent shot off.

That’s why it was even more important to send a big like Djokovic to the FT to because he can see over top of that length and he’s a fantastic passer.

I’ll give it to Fordham, they played well on defense and Magpayo out maneuvered Martelli on that one. It happens.

We got the dub on to the next one!
 
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