The Official Beat the St. Joseph's Hawks in the Stu for Homecoming Thread

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History: VCU is 11-5 all-time against St. Joseph's.

Last Meeting: VCU defeated St. Joseph's 88-63 on Hawk Hill on February 21, 2023.
 
A lot to unpack with this one, but hey, it’s homecoming!

When I think of Saint Joseph (besides being reminded that we’re in Lent season), I think of so many we known NBA dudes from the 60’s – 80’s who have been associated with the rich history of their program. I think of former NBA coach and hall of famer Dr. Jack Ramsey who led the ’77 Bill Walton Trailblazers to their lone NBA championship. Ramsay coached Saint Joseph from 1955 to 1966. Ramsay compiled a 234–72 record in his 11 years at Saint Joseph's. They reached the Final Four in 1961 (although their 1961 third-place finish was later revoked by the NCAA.

Jack McKinney took over after Ramsay left and led the Hawks to four more NCAA tournaments between 1969 and 1974. McKinney is best known for his stint as the head coach of the Lakers during Magic Johnson’s rookie season. He introduced an up-tempo style of play that became known as “Showtime.” However, his only season with the Lakers ended prematurely after a bicycle accident. Assistant Paul Westhead took over and the Lakers won the championship that season. Many remember the famous game where Magic took over for an injured Kareem in game six and had one of the all-time game finals performances. McKinney later coached several other teams in the NBA.

Then there’s former Wizards coach Jim Lynam who coached Saint Joseph and led them an Elite Eight in 1981 prior to becoming a well established NBA coach.

Most will remember their most recent legendary coach Phil Martelli who led the 2003-04 team to a perfect season prior to the NCAAs. Saint Joseph's ended the regular season with a 27–0 record and secured a #1 national ranking and a #1 seed in the NCAA tournament. The Hawks were led by a backcourt of Jameer Nelson and Delonte West, both of whom were drafted in the 1st round of the 2004 NBA draft. The Hawks advanced to the Elite Eight with wins over Liberty, Texas Tech, and #17 Wake Forest. In the Elite Eight, they lost to Oklahoma State 64–62.

During that season, Martelli got into a memorable spat on TV with Billy Packer who questioned the validity of Saint Joseph’s number 1 tournament seed due to their schedule and playing in the A-10.

Our first game against Saint Joseph was a 60-52 lost at the Palestra in Philly on January 27, 1982. Other than Monty Knight who scored 22 points shooting 11-19, the rest of the Rams shot 12-33 (36%) from the field. Later that year, the Rams avenged that loss on December 4th with a 75-64 victory at the Coliseum. All five Rams starters scored in double figures led by Mike Schlegel who posted 21 points, 7 rebounds and shot 13-13 from the free throw line! Rolando Lamb at 15 points, Uptown Fred Brown had14 points and 8 rebounds, Calvin Duncan scored 12 points and grabbed 8 rebounds and Mike Brown chipped in 11 points.

When discussing how deep our current team is, that certainly wasn’t the case in 1982. Mike Brown and Schlegel played the entire game and Lamb played 39 minutes. The three Rams off the bench collectively played a grand total of 20 minutes.

Finally, Saint Joseph is also known for having a series of the worst mascots in NCAA history.
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To me, St. Joe's spells Lynn Greer III; that's because I remember Lynn Greer SR., member Of Virginia State University Hall of Fame and Phoenix Suns draftee .... then there was Lynn Greer Jr, second all-time scorer at Temple ... Greer III averages about 12 points and five boards and leads Hawk in assists.

Also, when I think of The Joe's, I think of 1-27-82, and the game at Palestra. Went up on bus.

After the game (second half of a doubleheader) I got to talk (rather listen) to an inebriated Joe Frazier in hotel bar. Recall the late, great Joe (not connected to St. Joe's) eating a steaming bowl of chili with lots of cheese in it. Joe was in a friendly mood (thank goodness) chatting about his son, Marvis, at the time an up-and-coming pugilist.
 
Mistachill said:
A lot to unpack with this one, but hey, it’s homecoming!

When I think of Saint Joseph (besides being reminded that we’re in Lent season), I think of so many we known NBA dudes from the 60’s – 80’s who have been associated with the rich history of their program. I think of former NBA coach and hall of famer Dr. Jack Ramsey who led the ’77 Bill Walton Trailblazers to their lone NBA championship. Ramsay coached Saint Joseph from 1955 to 1966. Ramsay compiled a 234–72 record in his 11 years at Saint Joseph's. They reached the Final Four in 1961 (although their 1961 third-place finish was later revoked by the NCAA.

Jack McKinney took over after Ramsay left and led the Hawks to four more NCAA tournaments between 1969 and 1974. McKinney is best known for his stint as the head coach of the Lakers during Magic Johnson’s rookie season. He introduced an up-tempo style of play that became known as “Showtime.” However, his only season with the Lakers ended prematurely after a bicycle accident. Assistant Paul Westhead took over and the Lakers won the championship that season. Many remember the famous game where Magic took over for an injured Kareem in game six and had one of the all-time game finals performances. McKinney later coached several other teams in the NBA.

Then there’s former Wizards coach Jim Lynam who coached Saint Joseph and led them an Elite Eight in 1981 prior to becoming a well established NBA coach.

Most will remember their most recent legendary coach Phil Martelli who led the 2003-04 team to a perfect season prior to the NCAAs. Saint Joseph's ended the regular season with a 27–0 record and secured a #1 national ranking and a #1 seed in the NCAA tournament. The Hawks were led by a backcourt of Jameer Nelson and Delonte West, both of whom were drafted in the 1st round of the 2004 NBA draft. The Hawks advanced to the Elite Eight with wins over Liberty, Texas Tech, and #17 Wake Forest. In the Elite Eight, they lost to Oklahoma State 64–62.

During that season, Martelli got into a memorable spat on TV with Billy Packer who questioned the validity of Saint Joseph’s number 1 tournament seed due to their schedule and playing in the A-10.

Our first game against Saint Joseph was a 60-52 lost at the Palestra in Philly on January 27, 1982. Other than Monty Knight who scored 22 points shooting 11-19, the rest of the Rams shot 12-33 (36%) from the field. Later that year, the Rams avenged that loss on December 4th with a 75-64 victory at the Coliseum. All five Rams starters scored in double figures led by Mike Schlegel who posted 21 points, 7 rebounds and shot 13-13 from the free throw line! Rolando Lamb at 15 points, Uptown Fred Brown had14 points and 8 rebounds, Calvin Duncan scored 12 points and grabbed 8 rebounds and Mike Brown chipped in 11 points.

When discussing how deep our current team is, that certainly wasn’t the case in 1982. Mike Brown and Schlegel played the entire game and Lamb played 39 minutes. The three Rams off the bench collectively played a grand total of 20 minutes.

Finally, Saint Joseph is also known for having a series of the worst mascots in NCAA history.
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St. Joe's makes me think of Halil Kanacevic, who still gives me nightmares after that A10 championship game in Brooklyn.
 
Imagine how jacked the St. Joe’s mascot’s shoulders must be under all those feathers.
 
bighornn said:
To me, St. Joe's spells Lynn Greer III; that's because I remember Lynn Greer SR., member Of Virginia State University Hall of Fame and Phoenix Suns draftee .... then there was Lynn Greer Jr, second all-time scorer at Temple ... Greer III averages about 12 points and five boards and leads Hawk in assists.

Also, when I think of The Joe's, I think of 1-27-82, and the game at Palestra. Went up on bus.

After the game (second half of a doubleheader) I got to talk (rather listen) to an inebriated Joe Frazier in hotel bar. Recall the late, great Joe (not connected to St. Joe's) eating a steaming bowl of chili with lots of cheese in it. Joe was in a friendly mood (thank goodness) chatting about his son, Marvis, at the time an up-and-coming pugilist.
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I did not know Lynn Greer III's grandfather played at VSU, thanks for that information!
I knew his father played at Temple because when Lynn Jr started at Dayton, there was surprise that he didn't stay in Philly.
 
theyaintwantit said:
I did not know Lynn Greer III's grandfather played at VSU, thanks for that information!
I knew his father played at Temple because when Lynn Jr started at Dayton, there was surprise that he didn't stay in Philly.
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Greer St. played at VSU under the late Trojans' coach, Harold Deane (obit in this week's Free Press).

I'll never forget in 1970 how coach Deane spared VCU and VSU a terrible situation that might have had created national news .... angry VSU students running onto the floor to attack offiical. You had to be there ... this was in an exhibition in old Franklin Street. Greer was not part of the incident I mentioned .... no players were involved, just visiting fans and a very brave coach.
 
bighornn said:
Greer St. played at VSU under the late Trojans' coach, Harold Deane (obit in this week's Free Press).

I'll never forget in 1970 how coach Deane spared VCU and VSU a terrible situation that might have had created national news .... angry VSU students running onto the floor to attack offiical. You had to be there ... this was in an exhibition in old Franklin Street. Greer was not part of the incident I mentioned .... no players were involved, just visiting fans and a very brave coach.
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Was the grandfather a state, a street or a saint?
 
rambunctiousrowdyram said:
He is. Theres a video back in the day of the sju mascot laying a beating on another mascot that knocked its head off.
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It was the Rhode Island mascot, who tried to stop the Hawk from flapping by putting an inner tube over him. The Hawk did not appreciate it.

The video looks like it was recorded with a potato (it happened in 1998) but you can see it here:

 
Mistachill said:
A lot to unpack with this one, but hey, it’s homecoming!

When I think of Saint Joseph (besides being reminded that we’re in Lent season), I think of so many we known NBA dudes from the 60’s – 80’s who have been associated with
Our first game against Saint Joseph was a 60-52 lost at the Palestra in Philly on January 27, 1982. Other than Monty Knight who scored 22 points shooting 11-19, the rest of the Rams shot 12-33 (36%) from the field. Later that year, the Rams avenged that loss on December 4th with a 75-64 victory at the Coliseum. All five Rams starters scored in double figures led by Mike Schlegel who posted 21 points, 7 rebounds and shot 13-13 from the free throw line! Rolando Lamb at 15 points, Uptown Fred Brown had14 points and 8 rebounds, Calvin Duncan scored 12 points and grabbed 8 rebounds and Mike Brown chipped in 11 points.

When discussing how deep our current team is, that certainly wasn’t the case in 1982. Mike Brown and Schlegel played the entire game and Lamb played 39 minutes. The three Rams off the bench collectively played a grand total of 20 .
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Do you have either of these games on tape?

Also, you forgot that St. Joe's was our first A10 opponent..which you do have posted on YouTube.. (just promoting your channel..you need to monetize it. )
 
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