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IbleedVCU

IbleedVCU

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BCS
Michigan State RPI 28 - 5th seed in the tournament
Mid Major
Old Dominion RPI 27 - 11th seed in the tournament

BCS
Texas RPI 29 - 8th seed in the tournament
Mid Major
Siena RPI 30 - 13th seed in the tournament

BCS
Ohio State RPI 20 - 2nd seed in the tournament
Mid Major
Northern Iowa RPI 17 - 9th seed in the tournament

BCS
Villanova RPI 12 - 2nd seed in the tournament
Mid Major
Butler RPI 11 - 5th seed in the tournament


Most importantly......

BCS in the NIT
Northwestern RPI 116
North Carolina RPI 91
NC State RPI 96

Mid Major left out
VCU RPI 66


Lets wake up. RPI doesn't even matter. North Carolina spends too much money on their program to see their team in the CBI. The have taken control and even with an absolutely horrible conference record can still claim a spot in the 2nd tier tournament. North Carolina could literally not play a game and get into the NIT.
I have lost complete faith in any sort of justice in college sports. The only way VCU will ever get the respect it deserves is to leave the CAA and move up to a better conference. The CAA is a nice conference but it offers no future for VCU. This is why we need some sort of athletic masterplan to help us get out of the CAA. VCU needs to go out and get football, move out of the CAA and gain the respect it deserves.
Absolutely ridiculous.
 
IbleedVCU said:
The only way VCU will ever get the respect it deserves is to leave the CAA and move up to a better conference. The CAA is a nice conference but it offers no future for VCU. This is why we need some sort of athletic masterplan to help us get out of the CAA. VCU needs to go out and get football, move out of the CAA and gain the respect it deserves.
Absolutely ridiculous.
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I'd love to have football at VCU! However, at this point, I'd be thrilled with the A10 and no football. Why doesn't VCU attempt to attract other solid mid-majors and build a new conference? Say a few teams from the CAA, A10, Conference USA, etc. I know this has been discussed a million times on this forum but I'd like to see VCU in a solid basketball conference that would rival any of the BCS conferences. What is the major drawback...no auto bid for 5 years? I'd say that's a sacrafice worth making! What else?
 
Rambler said:
IbleedVCU said:
The only way VCU will ever get the respect it deserves is to leave the CAA and move up to a better conference. The CAA is a nice conference but it offers no future for VCU. This is why we need some sort of athletic masterplan to help us get out of the CAA. VCU needs to go out and get football, move out of the CAA and gain the respect it deserves.
Absolutely ridiculous.
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I'd love to have football at VCU! However, at this point, I'd be thrilled with the A10 and no football. Why doesn't VCU attempt to attract other solid mid-majors and build a new conference? Say a few teams from the CAA, A10, Conference USA, etc. I know this has been discussed a million times on this forum but I'd like to see VCU in a solid basketball conference that would rival any of the BCS conferences. What is the major drawback...no auto bid for 5 years? I'd say that's a sacrafice worth making! What else?
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Who all would we try to pull away from the other Mid Major Conferences? Would we bring Richmond back to our conference or whoo else would we bring?
 
I was looking through the conferences and I just don't see enough teams to create a new strong basketball conference without taking teams from the A10.
I really don't feel we fit in the A10 being that most of the schools seem to be private schools.

I currently see
VCU
ODU
George Mason
Akron
Charlotte
Rhode Island

I think our best hope is to establish football and move up the conferences like USF did 10 years ago.
We aren't moving anywhere unless we get football. Basketball won't carry us unless we are a private school.
 
RowdyPkunk said:
Rambler said:
IbleedVCU said:
The only way VCU will ever get the respect it deserves is to leave the CAA and move up to a better conference. The CAA is a nice conference but it offers no future for VCU. This is why we need some sort of athletic masterplan to help us get out of the CAA. VCU needs to go out and get football, move out of the CAA and gain the respect it deserves.
Absolutely ridiculous.
Click to expand...
I'd love to have football at VCU! However, at this point, I'd be thrilled with the A10 and no football. Why doesn't VCU attempt to attract other solid mid-majors and build a new conference? Say a few teams from the CAA, A10, Conference USA, etc. I know this has been discussed a million times on this forum but I'd like to see VCU in a solid basketball conference that would rival any of the BCS conferences. What is the major drawback...no auto bid for 5 years? I'd say that's a sacrafice worth making! What else?
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Who all would we try to pull away from the other Mid Major Conferences? Would we bring Richmond back to our conference or whoo else would we bring?
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a mass-swap with the A10 is the most obvious way... football schools swap with non-football schools

don't see it happening though, as the lower A10 schools wouldn't want to give up the gravy train from the extra NCAA bball shares the A10 pulls in routinely
 
the most likely way this would play out is that some teams realign like ND, Pitt or someone from the Big East goes Big Ten and then dominoes start to fall where we end up going to a conference like the A10

between the 8 in the NCAA and 5 in NIT 13 of the 16 Big East schools are in those two tourneys.
 
Here should be our plan.

Establish an athletic capital campaign as we get out of this recession to establish football, build a football stadium, and expand the siegel center.

Establish football and play in the CAA

After 7-10 years lets move up to division 1 football. Most likely lets move up to Conference USA

After another 7-10 years lets move up to the Big East in a newly aligned Big East Conference
- the new conference will be 12 teams both strong in football and basketball and will involve public universities (besides Syracuse).

NEW BIG EAST (20 years from today)
VCU
ODU
East Carolina
Central Florida
Cincinatti
UConn
Louisville
Pitt
Rutgers
South Florida
Syracuse
West Virginia
 
IbleedVCU said:
Here should be our plan.

Establish an athletic capital campaign as we get out of this recession to establish football, build a football stadium, and expand the siegel center.

Establish football and play in the CAA

After 7-10 years lets move up to division 1 football. Most likely lets move up to Conference USA

After another 7-10 years lets move up to the Big East in a newly aligned Big East Conference
- the new conference will be 12 teams both strong in football and basketball and will involve public universities (besides Syracuse).

NEW BIG EAST (20 years from today)
VCU
ODU
East Carolina
Central Florida
Cincinatti
UConn
Louisville
Pitt
Rutgers
South Florida
Syracuse
West Virginia
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maybe im too old school but you cannot have big east basketball without Georgetown and St. Johns. probably throw seton hall and nova in there as well. this seems like the only traditional big east teams left are cuse and uconn.
 
I think you're making too big of a deal over the public/private thing... there are 3 private schools in the CAA, there are 4 public schools in the A10 ...most other conferences have a mix too
 
Big 12 only has Baylor, SEC only has Vanderbilt, Pac 10 only has Stanford.
 
i will be honest and say i dont know how these conference affiliations are formed and or dissolved but i fail to see what Charlotte and St. Louis are really adding to the A10 other than longer travel times. I would say the same about a few other programs like Fordham but they are at least a more traditional part of the conference and fit in the geographic area of other schools. As i said i dont know what sort of contract the leagues and schools enter into in terms of stay in a conference but i think we would bring more to the A10 than Charlotte or St. Louis are.
 
DCDuck said:
Big 12 only has Baylor, SEC only has Vanderbilt, Pac 10 only has Stanford.
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Wait, isnt USC a private school?

Big Ten only has Northwestern.

I dont know this for sure, but i would guess that it is somewhat related to the emphasis of football programs in those conferences as many private schools do not field D-1 football schools. the big east has 9 private and 7 public schools in the conference and syracuse is the only private school in the conference that fields a d-1 football program in the big east (ND currently independent).
 
looks like the MAC is all publics... and they also happen to be an FBS conference instead of FCS
 
I think it's interesting how Providence is in the Big East. Their enrollment is minuscule compared to the other schools in the conference (only around 3,000). Friends of mine who are fans of Georgetown and Rutgers tell me the same. They wonder why schools like Dayton, Rhode Island, UMass and VCU aren't in the Big East instead of Providence. Providence hasn't exactly had a history of lighting the college basketball world on fire either.

The A-10 is another top-heavy conference. After Temple, Dayton, and Xavier, there isn't all that much consistency in terms of teams that have been tournament mainstays in recent years. They are also considered in the eyes of most to be another "mid-major" conference.
 
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