The Rich get richer and the poor get poorer

DCDuck said:
I think it's interesting how Providence is in the Big East. Their enrollment is minuscule compared to the other schools in the conference (only around 3,000). Friends of mine who are fans of Georgetown and Rutgers tell me the same. They wonder why schools like Dayton, Rhode Island, UMass and VCU aren't in the Big East instead of Providence. Providence hasn't exactly had a history of lighting the college basketball world on fire either.

The A-10 is another top-heavy conference. After Temple, Dayton, and Xavier, there isn't all that much consistency in terms of teams that have been tournament mainstays in recent years. They are also considered in the eyes of most to be another "mid-major" conference.
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except their "mid major" consistently gets multiple bids. it is definitely a step up from the CAA but still below the Big 6 conferences. As for Providence it is there cause it was one of the originals. Whether it still deserves to be there now is a different story but like i said i dont know the criteria for bouncing a school. Providence was very good for a long time in ball just sucked bad lately.
 
IbleedVCU said:
BCS
Michigan State RPI 28 - 5th seed in the tournament
Mid Major
Old Dominion RPI 27 - 11th seed in the tournament

BCS
Texas RPI 29 - 8th seed in the tournament
Mid Major
Siena RPI 30 - 13th seed in the tournament

BCS
Ohio State RPI 20 - 2nd seed in the tournament
Mid Major
Northern Iowa RPI 17 - 9th seed in the tournament

BCS


Villanova RPI 12 - 2nd seed in the tournament
Mid Major
Butler RPI 11 - 5th seed in the tournament


Most importantly......

BCS in the NIT
Northwestern RPI 116
North Carolina RPI 91
NC State RPI 96

Mid Major left out
VCU RPI 66


Lets wake up. RPI doesn't even matter. North Carolina spends too much money on their program to see their team in the CBI. The have taken control and even with an absolutely horrible conference record can still claim a spot in the 2nd tier tournament. North Carolina could literally not play a game and get into the NIT.
I have lost complete faith in any sort of justice in college sports. The only way VCU will ever get the respect it deserves is to leave the CAA and move up to a better conference. The CAA is a nice conference but it offers no future for VCU. This is why we need some sort of athletic masterplan to help us get out of the CAA. VCU needs to go out and get football, move out of the CAA and gain the respect it deserves.
Absolutely ridiculous.
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It sucks I agree but RPI doesnt mean much. MSU would hang twenty on ODU

Texas would put 10 or so on Sienna too big for them.

Ohio State plus 15 over Norther Iowa.

Nova would most likely beat Butler.

VCU isnt leaving the CAA as it is cost efficient for every other sport. Besides we can be competitive in the other sports without spending the big bucks. Forget about it we are not leaving.

Our best alternative is to raise our level of play such that we surpass that of the conference. Similar to what Memphis has done in CUSA or Gonzaga in the WCC.
 
rammad90 said:
IbleedVCU said:
BCS
Michigan State RPI 28 - 5th seed in the tournament
Mid Major
Old Dominion RPI 27 - 11th seed in the tournament

BCS
Texas RPI 29 - 8th seed in the tournament
Mid Major
Siena RPI 30 - 13th seed in the tournament

BCS
Ohio State RPI 20 - 2nd seed in the tournament
Mid Major
Northern Iowa RPI 17 - 9th seed in the tournament

BCS


Villanova RPI 12 - 2nd seed in the tournament
Mid Major
Butler RPI 11 - 5th seed in the tournament


Most importantly......

BCS in the NIT
Northwestern RPI 116
North Carolina RPI 91
NC State RPI 96

Mid Major left out
VCU RPI 66


Lets wake up. RPI doesn't even matter. North Carolina spends too much money on their program to see their team in the CBI. The have taken control and even with an absolutely horrible conference record can still claim a spot in the 2nd tier tournament. North Carolina could literally not play a game and get into the NIT.
I have lost complete faith in any sort of justice in college sports. The only way VCU will ever get the respect it deserves is to leave the CAA and move up to a better conference. The CAA is a nice conference but it offers no future for VCU. This is why we need some sort of athletic masterplan to help us get out of the CAA. VCU needs to go out and get football, move out of the CAA and gain the respect it deserves.
Absolutely ridiculous.
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It sucks I agree but RPI doesnt mean much. MSU would hang twenty on ODU

Texas would put 10 or so on Sienna too big for them.

Ohio State plus 15 over Norther Iowa.

Nova would most likely beat Butler.

VCU isnt leaving the CAA as it is cost efficient for every other sport. Besides we can be competitive in the other sports without spending the big bucks. Forget about it we are not leaving.

Our best alternative is to raise our level of play such that we surpass that of the conference. Similar to what Memphis has done in CUSA or Gonzaga in the WCC.
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Your posts have consistently proven you to be an idiot. Michigan State would hang twenty on us? We haven't lost by 20 points the entire year and Michigan State isn't all that great. Not only that, the style of basketball they play wouldn't even allow them to be able to do that.

What a dump you are. How are you even a college basketball fan? Northern Iowa would lose to Ohio State by 15? Butler beat them already this season, but I'm sure in your idiotic world they would lose by 20 to them in fantasyland where you use zero analysis to arrive at those brilliant score predictions.

Or maybe your brilliant analysis that Texas would beat Siena because they are "too big for them". Completely missing the fact that Siena is one of the bigger teams in the country with a 7 footer and two 6-5 shooting guard/small forwards. Just teriffic stuff.
 
You know that sometimes life is just not fair. The rich get richer because they have connections and are willing to take risks. The poor get poorer because often times they expect hand outs and depend on others for their success. That's life folks.
 
Lets wake up. RPI doesn't even matter. North Carolina spends too much money on their program to see their team in the CBI. The have taken control and even with an absolutely horrible conference record can still claim a spot in the 2nd tier tournament. North Carolina could literally not play a game and get into the NIT.
I have lost complete faith in any sort of justice in college sports. The only way VCU will ever get the respect it deserves is to leave the CAA and move up to a better conference. The CAA is a nice conference but it offers no future for VCU. This is why we need some sort of athletic masterplan to help us get out of the CAA. VCU needs to go out and get football, move out of the CAA and gain the respect it deserves.
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How about we EARN the respect by winning. How about we win our conference (or at least finish top 3) or win our conference tournament and EARN a spot in the field. I'd rather do things the old fashioned way... and honestly earn a spot in the tournament than move up in conference just to "get in" the way some of these other teams do just to feel better about making the postseason. The next level for us isn't likely to be through football/ BCS program with red carpet invites, it's a tougher Mid Major conference where you will still have to win to get to the post season. If that's the unfair reality of college basketball, that's the reality we have to play in right now. In the words of a locally well known Banana... "JUST WIN". If we hadn't dropped a couple of those games we should have won, we'd be having an entirely different conversation right now.
 
An ODU butterfly on VCU boards calling one of our guys an "idiot" and "a dump". Make it in one tournament and think they rule the internetz.
 
the reason Providence is in the Big East is because their former athletic director Dave Gavitt is the FOUNDER of the big east conference..that's right...he started the whole thing back in the day when schools like georgetown, syracuse and st johns and villanova didn't have a place to call home...we missed the boat 20 years ago when we were a mid major powerhouse...we were ranked 11th in the country and a #2 seed in the NCAA in 1985 when the big east had just formed...we had our chance and blew it..

St. Louis has gone on record saying it wants out of the A 10 and wants to go to the Missouri Valley (much better fit)...it wont be long before that happens and then if the Big 10 adds a school there will be some reshuffling...

here is the conference I would like to see for the immediate future:

VCU
ODU
GMU
La Salle
Charlotte
GW
St Joes
Rhode Island
Xavier
Drexel
Dayton


take the best non football playing schools from the A10 and the best non football schools from the CAA (except ODU of course) and form a strong basketball league. you would get multiple bids every year, would be able to get a good tv contract, would be in major tv markets such as Philly and D.C. and would not add much travel costs (could do dayton and xavier on one road trip). I think there will be a shake up fairly soon...hope we don't miss the boat again this time !
 
wavevcu said:
here is the conference I would like to see for the immediate future:

VCU
ODU
GMU
La Salle
Charlotte
GW
St Joes
Rhode Island
Xavier
Drexel
Dayton


take the best non football playing schools from the A10 and the best non football schools from the CAA (except ODU of course) and form a strong basketball league. you would get multiple bids every year, would be able to get a good tv contract, would be in major tv markets such as Philly and D.C. and would not add much travel costs (could do dayton and xavier on one road trip). I think there will be a shake up fairly soon...hope we don't miss the boat again this time !
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I'm just surprised that something like this hasn't happend already. The conference above would blow away the CAA or the A10. Why would these schools not be more proactive about making this happen?
 
well partly because *La Salle*, Rhode Island, and Dayton, along with ODU, and soon to be Charlotte, all have football

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artRAMinMN said:
well partly because La Salle, Rhode Island, and Dayton, along with ODU, and soon to be Charlotte, all have football
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Oh, I see. I thought wave was suggesting that these were non-football schools. Pretty sad when and avid sports fan like myself doesn't even recognize if those schools have football or not. Says a lot about their programs!
 
Rambler said:
artRAMinMN said:
well partly because La Salle, Rhode Island, and Dayton, along with ODU, and soon to be Charlotte, all have football
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Oh, I see. I thought wave was suggesting that these were non-football schools. Pretty sad when and avid sports fan like myself doesn't even recognize if those schools have football or not. Says a lot about their programs!
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yeah, that's what I thought at first too, except I had a memory of URI having a fb team, so I looked it and the others up... funnily enough, Dayton has even had some fairly major success at their level... which goes to show how little success at that level is given importance
 
I've been playing with a "best of IAAA on the East Coast" for a while.

Metro East Coast Conference of Athletics (ok, I just wanted the acronym MECCA)
Charlotte, Dayton, GW, LaSalle, St. Joe's, St. Louis, Xavier, VCU, GMU, Drexel, Northeastern

Of course, if/when Charlotte adds football, I'd say throw UNCW, Charleston and/or Hofstra in the mix (or all 3 for a 12 team league).
 
btw, wave and pav were right about LaSalle... they had fb, but dropped it a few years ago
 
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