Tribe: Future CAA Upper Tier?

I'm not worried one bit about Waste Management becoming a consistently serious player in the CAA any time soon, no matter what some Internet hoops experts say about the 2010 recruits they've landed. Their coaching staff is so handcuffed by the school's academic requirements, most kids who are considered "steals" for the Tribe still wouldn't be good enough to start for any of the conference's top teams (VCU, Mason, ODU, etc.)

It's a shame, really, because Tony Shaver is one heck of a coach with a winning background. He could get it done in Williamsburg if the administration would be a little more flexible in admitting basketball players who don't necessarily fit the college's academic profile. But I won't hold my breath on that one ... :roll:
 
AG_fan said:
It's a shame, really, because Tony Shaver is one heck of a coach with a winning background. He could get it done in Williamsburg if the administration would be a little more flexible in admitting basketball players who don't necessarily fit the college's academic profile. But I won't hold my breath on that one ... :roll:
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Really? REALLY?

You're rolling your eyes about an academic institution setting high standards for their students?

You do know that colleges and universities are places for young adults to get educated, and not just sports entertainment factories for the likes of you, right?

You're more clueless with every post you make.


*Gets ready for some kind of stupid spin regarding recognition of schools via their programs, or something else equally ridiculous*
 
Hey, Mr. Pompous, I'm all for colleges setting high standards for their students. Obviously, the degree means a lot more when it's earned from an institution that is respected for its academic rigor. But if you want to have a chance to win in Division I basketball, which is what I'm talking about, you have to be willing to expand your pool of admissable athletes beyond those with 3.5 GPAs and 1300 SAT scores.

Georgetown does it. So does Duke, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame and any number of other venerable institutions of higher learning. If they didn't, they couldn't possibly field teams athletic and talented enough to compete on even terms against other teams in their conferences.

At least when he was at Hampden-Sydney, Shaver had a level playing field. Nobody offered athletic scholarships, he was able to land a ton of talented student-athletes and won big. At W&M, he's coaching blindfolded and with one arm tied behind his back, competing night-in and night-out against teams comprised of many kids he'd never have a chance of getting into school. Care to argue that point?

If W&M's administration won't compromise, even a little, to try and field a winning men's hoops team, that's certainly their right. As educators, academics is their mission. But I know several Tribe alums who would gladly trade a bunch of Academic All-America honors for one measly trip to the NCAA tournament. I guess that makes them "clueless" like me.

*Gets ready for condescending jerkoff to get back on his soapbox, or something equally sanctimonious*
 
I don't have to get back on my soapbox. You made my point for me:

AG_fan said:
As educators, academics is their mission.
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Who cares what a handful of their alumni looking for higher quality basketball have to say about it. As educators, academics is their mission. Done and done.
 
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AG_fan said:
Hey, Mr. Pompous, I'm all for colleges setting high standards for their students. Obviously, the degree means a lot more when it's earned from an institution that is respected for its academic rigor. But if you want to have a chance to win in Division I basketball, which is what I'm talking about, you have to be willing to expand your pool of admissable athletes beyond those with 3.5 GPAs and 1300 SAT scores.
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Where does it say athletes need a 3.5/1300 to play for WM? Is that really true? I don't think Harvard does that. How did Stanford....a top flight school that I consider better than WM have a #1 ranked bball team a few years ago, yet WM is in the middle or bottom of the CAA year after year?

I personally think WM is a better fit for the patriot league than the CAA. They offer little help with respect to bball in our conference.
 
BradRamFan said:
AG_fan said:
Hey, Mr. Pompous, I'm all for colleges setting high standards for their students. Obviously, the degree means a lot more when it's earned from an institution that is respected for its academic rigor. But if you want to have a chance to win in Division I basketball, which is what I'm talking about, you have to be willing to expand your pool of admissable athletes beyond those with 3.5 GPAs and 1300 SAT scores.
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Where does it say athletes need a 3.5/1300 to play for WM? Is that really true? I don't think Harvard does that. How did Stanford....a top flight school that I consider better than WM have a #1 ranked bball team a few years ago, yet WM is in the middle or bottom of the CAA year after year?

I personally think WM is a better fit for the patriot league than the CAA. They offer little help with respect to bball in our conference.
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Well, I guess it's a good thing that the CAA is more than just basketball or any singular sport, because one could say the same about VCU with regards to football...regardless, judging that their 2009 recruiting class surpasses ours, by a significant amount, I'd say they're doing just fine. I wouldn't be surprised to see them in the upper/middle section of the conference in a couple of years. William and Mary fans don't lie when they say Quinn McDowell is the truth, that kid's the proverbial poop.

It's sad that the concept of genuine "student-athlete" has become such a foreign concept...


Oh and while this isn't the "CAAZone", it isn't a f..."love"fest either. There's no point in discussing something when everyone agrees with each other.
 
david coxxx said:
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Not fair :lol: Atleast now anyway

Is that the one where Lesnar killed Mir in like a minute in the rematch? Or is that the one where Lesnar tapped out in their first match?
 
A little bird tells me that we are in the business of academics, not basketball. A university should established its academic admission standards and then admit all students according to those standards. No exceptions. I don't care what other universities are doing, I admire William & Mary for there academic standards and for requiring all students to meet them. They are a great role model for other universities. End of lecture! :)
 
They didn't do too bad with their 3.5/1300 players in the 2008 CAA tournament if I remember correctly-end of discussion.
 
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