Who Needs The Bubble When You’re A10 Champions?

RowdyPkunk said:
tell that to Indiana State last year who was 28-6 & got left out of the NCAA Tourney who had a NET of 30 last season.
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I hear you, but let's look at this year.

Currently:

Oklahoma is 20 - 12 (6 - 12). Their Q1/2 record is 11 -11

VCU is 25 -6 (15 -3). Our Q1/2 record is 6-5.

It's not so cut and dry, is all I am saying.
 
IstanbulRam said:
I hear you, but let's look at this year.

Currently:

Oklahoma is 20 - 12 (6 - 12). Their Q1/2 record is 11 -11

VCU is 25 -6 (15 -3). Our Q1/2 record is 6-5.

It's not so cut and dry, is all I am saying.
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Yeah I'm well aware

VCU between Quads 3 & 4..... 18-1 with a Quad 4 loss. Oklahoma- 9-1, with a Quad 3 loss.

VCU's Quad Record for RPI (via Warren Nolan)
Q1- 1-2
Q2- 6-2
Q3- 5-1
Q4- 12-1

Oklahoma's Quad Record for RPI
Q1- 6-10
Q2- 3-0
Q3- 3-2
Q4- 8-0


VCU's Worst 4 losses:
1. Seton Hall*- NET- 210, RPI- 291
2. Nevada*- NET- 78, RPI- 146
3. @ SBU- NET- 97, RPI- 75
4. @ SLU- NET- 101, RPI- 77

Oklahoma's worst 4 losses
1. LSU- NET 89, RPI 153
2. Texas- NET 41, RPI 90

Every other loss by OU, the opponent is ranked in the Top 40 in both NET & RPI.... and a good number of those 12 losses are to teams ranked in the Top in both NET & RPI.


The committee has shown.... it's not about what your record is, or how many wins/losses you have.... but who you have beaten and who you lost to. VCU has worst losses than Oklahoma, and we don't have near the quality of wins that they do.
 
RowdyPkunk said:
Yeah I'm well aware

VCU between Quads 3 & 4..... 18-1 with a Quad 4 loss. Oklahoma- 9-1, with a Quad 3 loss.

VCU's Quad Record for RPI (via Warren Nolan)
Q1- 1-2
Q2- 6-2
Q3- 5-1
Q4- 12-1

Oklahoma's Quad Record for RPI
Q1- 6-10
Q2- 3-0
Q3- 3-2
Q4- 8-0


VCU's Worst 4 losses:
1. Seton Hall*- NET- 210, RPI- 291
2. Nevada*- NET- 78, RPI- 146
3. @ SBU- NET- 97, RPI- 75
4. @ SLU- NET- 101, RPI- 77

Oklahoma's worst 4 losses
1. LSU- NET 89, RPI 153
2. Texas- NET 41, RPI 90

Every other loss by OU, the opponent is ranked in the Top 40 in both NET & RPI.... and a good number of those 12 losses are to teams ranked in the Top in both NET & RPI.


The committee has shown.... it's not about what your record is, or how many wins/losses you have.... but who you have beaten and who you lost to. VCU has worst losses than Oklahoma, and we don't have near the quality of wins that they do.
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Time will tell but that still shows Oklahoma with a losing record at 9-10 in Q1/Q2 and VCU with a winning record at 7 - 4 in Q1/Q2.

I read somewhere that no team has ever had an at large with a losing record in Q1/Q2. Not sure how true that is but if it is VCU looks like it’s in a better place than the Sooners.
 
RowdyPkunk said:
Quality first then Quantity.

You could have 25+ wins but if half or more of your wins come against Q3/Q4.... those wins get diminished & not worth as much.
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You can only play who is on your schedule. That’s the debate we went through during the CFB playoffs. If Quality over Quantity then SMU wouldn’t have been there. Their SOS was terrible. VCU would love to play Q1/Q2 every week but that’s not realistic. Sure they could have schedule some tougher OOC game but the argument can be made you don’t know now who will be good because teams change every year.
 
RowdyPkunk said:
Yeah I'm well aware

VCU between Quads 3 & 4..... 18-1 with a Quad 4 loss. Oklahoma- 9-1, with a Quad 3 loss.

VCU's Quad Record for RPI (via Warren Nolan)
Q1- 1-2
Q2- 6-2
Q3- 5-1
Q4- 12-1

Oklahoma's Quad Record for RPI
Q1- 6-10
Q2- 3-0
Q3- 3-2
Q4- 8-0


VCU's Worst 4 losses:
1. Seton Hall*- NET- 210, RPI- 291
2. Nevada*- NET- 78, RPI- 146
3. @ SBU- NET- 97, RPI- 75
4. @ SLU- NET- 101, RPI- 77

Oklahoma's worst 4 losses
1. LSU- NET 89, RPI 153
2. Texas- NET 41, RPI 90

Every other loss by OU, the opponent is ranked in the Top 40 in both NET & RPI.... and a good number of those 12 losses are to teams ranked in the Top in both NET & RPI.


The committee has shown.... it's not about what your record is, or how many wins/losses you have.... but who you have beaten and who you lost to. VCU has worst losses than Oklahoma, and we don't have near the quality of wins that they do.
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Actually we're 2-1 in Q1 not 1-2. OK has a losing record in Q1, under 500 record in Q1/Q2 combined. They have two things over us, they played more Q1/Q2 games (but won a lower percentage of them) and we have a Q4 loss.
So, you play a lot of games vs Q!/Q2 what do you do with them. OK has lost in most of them. We haven't. That's my argument.
 
IstanbulRam said:
Time will tell but that still shows Oklahoma with a losing record at 9-10 in Q1/Q2 and VCU with a winning record at 7 - 4 in Q1/Q2.

I read somewhere that no team has ever had an at large with a losing record in Q1/Q2. Not sure how true that is but if it is VCU looks like it’s in a better place than the Sooners.
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Well if thats the case North Carolina at 8-11 in Q1 & Q2 (1-11 in Q1 alone) shouldn't be in there either.... but here they are still in the conversation.

rambunctiousrowdyram said:
You can only play who is on your schedule. That’s the debate we went through during the CFB playoffs. If Quality over Quantity then SMU wouldn’t have been there. Their SOS was terrible. VCU would love to play Q1/Q2 every week but that’s not realistic. Sure they could have schedule some tougher OOC game but the argument can be made you don’t know now who will be good because teams change every year.
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If you wanna talk about conference play you are right.... we can't control who we play.

As far as Non Conf.... that a load of crap. We could schedule better OOC games that Bellarmine, Loyola (MD), Penn & Georgia Southern. Merrimack might actually win their conf. tourney.

And if you play any of these games on the road or a neutral site... its better or worth more for your NET right? Well in OOC play, not counting the MTEs.... how many Road / Neutral site games did we play? 3. The other 7 games in OOC play were against primarily garbage teams at home.

William & Mary showed some promise but fell off like usual. Merrimack has been solid & has a chance to win their conference tourney.... but I coulda told you from looking at the schedule when it got released.... Bellarmine is gonna be AWFUL (in only their 2nd year as a D1 school), Loyola (MD) is gonna suck (hasn't finished in the Top half of their league in the last decade since joining the Patriot League). Penn would be lucky to finish in the middle of the pack in the Ivy League.... and Ga Southern would be semi competitive in the Sun Belt... but they wouldn't win it.

Sure you never know who is gonna be good on a given year and who won't..... but you can generally tell which schools are going to be competitive, even if its a down year for them.

Drake the last handful of years has been good, Vermont is usually at or near the top of the American East, UAB, Memphis, Radford, Winthrop, Charleston, Liberty, Cleveland State, Yale (if we really want to challenge an Ivy League team), Akron, Norfolk State, Bradley, Northern Iowa, Belmont, Utah State, San Diego State, McNeese again (at least while Wade is there & has that program running high), JMU..... all woulda been better choices for opponents. And just about all of them are consistently competitive in their conference when it comes to basketball..... and at least half of them are teams we could do H&H's with which would boost our NETs with when we play them on the road.
 
According to Lunardi's updated projections as of Last Night.... VCU is listed as the Auto Bid for the A10, as an 11 seed in the South Region.

Yesterday's results

Big 12 Tournament- 2nd Round
#12 Iowa State defeats Cincinnati (Next Four Out)- 76-56
Colorado beat West Virginia (Projected 9 seed)- 67-60
Baylor (Last Four Byes) defeats Kansas State- 70-56

SEC Tournament-1st Round
Arkansas (Last Four Byes) defeats South Carolina- 72-68
Texas (Next Four Out) defeats Vanderbilt (Projected 11 Seed)- 79-72
Mississippi State (Projected 8 Seed) defeats LSU- 91-62
Oklahoma (Last Four In) defeats Georgia (Projected 9 seed)- 81-75

ACC Tournament- 2nd Round
North Carolina (First Four Out) defeats Notre Dame- 76-56

Big Ten Tournament- 1st Round
Iowa defeats Ohio State (Last Team in)- 77-70

NCAA Tickets to be punched today
McNeese defeats Lamar- 63-54 (Southland Final
American defeats Navy- 74-52 (Patriot League Final)
Montana defeats Northern Colorado- 91-83 (Big Sky Final)


Bubble games Today (Bubble Teams in Bold)

Big Ten Tournament- 2nd Round
Oregon defeats Indiana (Last Four In, Projected 11 Seed, First Four)- 72-59

SEC Tournament- 2nd Round
Ole Miss (Projected 7 Seed) defeats Arkansas (Projected 9 Seed)- 83-80
Texas (First Team Out) defeats #14 Texas A&M- 94-89 in 2OT
#21 Missouri defeats Mississippi State (Projected 8 Seed)- 85-73
Oklahoma (Last Four Byes, Projected 11 Seed) vs #13 Kentucky- 9:30 PM (SEC Network)

Big East Tournament- Quarterfinal
#25 Marquette defeats Xavier (Last Four In, Projected 12 Seed, First Four)- 89-87
Villanova (Next Four Out) vs UConn (Projected 8 Seed)- 9:30 PM (Fox Sports 1)

ACC Tournament- Quarterfinal
North Carolina (Last Four In, Projected 12 Seed, First Four) defeats Wake Forest (Next Four Out)- 68-59

Mountain West Tournament
New Mexico (Projected 9 seed) defeats San Jose State- 63-52
Boise State (First Four Out) defeats San Diego State (Last Four In, Projected 11 Seed, First Four)- 62-52
Nevada vs Colorado State (First Four Out)- 9 PM (CBS Sports)
UNLV vs Utah State (Last Four Byes, Projected 10 Seed)- 11:30 PM (CBS Sports)

Big 12 Tournament
#9 Texas Tech defeats Baylor (Projected 10 Seed)- 79-72
 
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will our small margin of defeat in our losses be factored in past how it effects metrics? could really help our case imo.
 
Ramlove81 said:
Actually we're 2-1 in Q1 not 1-2. OK has a losing record in Q1, under 500 record in Q1/Q2 combined. They have two things over us, they played more Q1/Q2 games (but won a lower percentage of them) and we have a Q4 loss.
So, you play a lot of games vs Q!/Q2 what do you do with them. OK has lost in most of them. We haven't. That's my argument.
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I said we're 2-1 in the RPI Quad Ranks... not NET ranks in that post. You are correct we are 2-1 vs Q1 in Net Ranks.

And in Q1/Q2 in NET... OU is actually .500 currently at 11-11 in the NET rankings..... VCU is 6-5.

So yes, they've lost more Q1/Q2 games than we have and have a .500 net record.... but they also have more Q1 & Q2 wins than us. And we're only 1 game above .500 than OU in Q1/Q2 NET % wise.

Also think about this.... We played 14 games that ended up being Q4 quality teams.... they played 7. Every time one of those Q4 teams lose.... that hurts us. So the fewer Q4 & Q3 teams we play... the better. Almost half our games were Q4... and we lost 1 of them... which hurts worse.... on the flip side more than half of Oklahoma's games were Q1/Q2.... and coming into todays game they've won half of them.

I pointed out the worst losses.... lets look at the best wins

VCU's best wins
1. Colorado State*- NET 55, RPI 56
2. @ Saint Joes- NET 74, RPI 76
3. SBU- NET 97, RPI 75
4. @ Dayton- NET 67, RPI 46
5. GMU- NET 75, RPI 35

Oklahoma's best wins
1. Arizona*- NET 13, RPI 38
2. #13 Louisville*- NET 25, RPI 18
3. #22 Michigan* NET 28, RPI 17
4.. @ Arkansas- NET 39, RPI 62
5. Vandy- NET 48, RPI 58
6. Mississippi State- NET 32, RPI 29
7. #21 Missouri- NET 20, RPI 40
8. @ Texas- NET 41, RPI 90
9. Georgia*- NET 34, RPI 37

Now sure, we can't control what other teams do when they are not playing us, and in conference obviously we can't control who we play.... and sure OU is gonna have more opportunities.... being a P5 school & what not.

But that means we have less of a margin & less room for error. And while we had no idea Seton Hall was gonna turn into a dumpster fire.... we did let that game slip away when we had a lead in the game. Same thing with the Nevada game.

And unfortunately that will get held against us.... as well as the lack of true quality wins. Our best win on the season is Colorado State & @ Dayton.... that is not going to get it done most years.
 
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